A1
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 08:28 PM |
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speeding
got my first ticket today - doing 88 average between 2 bridges as measured from cop car
quiet stretch of the m8, they said there were two cars going with me, a polo or something...and pulled over the car build for going fast...
f*******c*******
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MautoK
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 08:35 PM |
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If you break the speed limit what do you expect?
But, as a matter of interest, how do they calibrate such a method of determining your speed?
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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macspeedy
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 08:36 PM |
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sorry to hear that, watch out for those guys, they dont seem to do it for saftey sake.. as i know all to well.
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 08:37 PM |
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where on the M8 was it?
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A1
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 08:46 PM |
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ive no idea how they calibrate it. they said they did it from one bridge to another and timed me.
yea, i accept that when i speed it may happen, im just annoyed.
it was at the bit between the part where the m9 joins the m8 and the end.
there was a bloody van keeping up with me!!!
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snapper
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 09:01 PM |
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a nick at 88 is unfair ACPO guidance says 79 to 84 a warning can be given 84 to 89 the officer has discretion.
As a rule i sit at 77 to79 with 84 on the motorway flashing on my stanav.
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iank
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 09:05 PM |
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They may be using the, suggest he was speeding and wait for him to admit it method.
If you admitted it then it's too late. Otherwise I'd expect them to need some evidence (video) to prosecute successfully.
p.s. I'm not a lawyer and you'd need one if you were going to fight it.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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A1
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 09:13 PM |
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yea, well i had no idea cause my speedos off. i wasnt haring it past other cars though. i did admit but theres no video or picture evidence.
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Neil P
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| posted on 11/5/09 at 09:18 PM |
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They have measured your time and distance between two fixed points.
The evidence is that of the police officer backed up by the measured reading.
The prosecution threshold on motorways is 79mph ie 10% + 2mph for calibration error.
Neil
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oldtimer
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 06:59 AM |
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Sorry but getting nicked at 88 mph is hardly worthy of sympathy.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 07:06 AM |
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Youve been done using VASCAR .
They will have video evidence.
The vascar marks are on the road in measured miles ...... ever wonder what the little strip in the centre of your
lane?vascar link
[Edited on 12-5-09 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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A1
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 08:58 AM |
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would that work from way back? they definately werent up my arse, so wouldnt it be pretty inaccurate guessing when i passed a point?
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loggyboy
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 09:30 AM |
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Yes it works from any distance as long as they can see you car passing the 1st and 2nd point, that why they often use bridges, and the marks you see
are often on the way up a hill so they can been seen from the opposite side of the hill.
VASCAR is pretty infalable im affraid.
If they measured your speed over 0.5 of a mile they only need to be accurate to within a half a second or so as each second means about 4mph.
The longer the distance they time you over the more accurate they are.
I beleive the minimum they need to prove it is 0.1 miles.
[Edited on 12/5/09 by loggyboy]
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 09:45 AM |
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Never admit anything  worked for me driving through a red light (yeah it just changed as I passed through it…), not wearing my seatbelt (I did have
it on officer…) I think they are hoping you will incriminate yourself so they don’t have to prove you did something wrong when they don’t actually
have any evidence. 88 though might be a bit fast to expect a warning tbh and as your cars speedo overreads you probably saw more like 92mph….
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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loggyboy
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 09:48 AM |
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as someone mentioned above the ACPO 'guidelines' for prosectition is 10%+2, so anything over 79 and your likely to get a fixed penalty (3
points £60 fine), but its only a giudeline, so if they could prove it in a court of law (unlikely admitadly) they could do you for 71!
Another 12mph and you would have been looking at a possible ban!
[Edited on 12/5/09 by loggyboy]
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 10:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
VASCAR is pretty infalable im affraid.
Without video evidence it's very fallible, a copper could make it read whatever he wants since he controls the start and stop times.
The trafpol I have spoken to say they don't generally pull anyone for up to 85 mph unless their standard of driving is poor. Over that and you
do risk a pull.
Had a buttock clenching moment a few weeks back, was following a silver car for a couple of miles at 85 ish and then he gradualy slowed down to 80, so
I overtook. As I went past my brain kicked in and noticed it was a Silver Octavia, of which there are a couple of unmarked traffic cars around here.
I didn't look across but just carried on with the overtake, making sure I stuck to 85. After I overtook the Octavia moved out to the next lane
and followed just behind me, which seems to be a classic trafpol manoeuvre (why?). Anyway he followed me to the next junction, still in the next
lane, then pulled off. They aren't all out to get you
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 10:40 AM |
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Just another road tax. I'ts certainly not for safety. I drove for years in Germany usually averaging 125MPH and regularly overtaken by 150MPH
Mercs. The Autobahns are perfectly safe. Police regurlarly do more that 70 to chase miscreants. Are they unsafe? I'm sure they'll tell you
they are not unsafe!. If anything the UK speed limit is unsafe because it makes pedantic w**kers feel they have the right to pull out on you with no
space if they are doing 70 ("nobody should be going faster than me" mentality). Or to cruise in the outside lane and stack up frustrated
drivers behind them for mile upon mile. No surprise the most common mortorway crash is a multiple car front/rear shunt! And such shunts are
surprisingly safe as well as drivers almost invariably walk away uninjured (apart from a little whip-lash for the insurance claiming, ambulance
chasing lawyers). Mortorways are the safest roads in UK, what are plod doing ticketing for 88MPH, revenue raising, that's what 
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow © 
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A1
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 11:25 AM |
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he never showed me any video, and the stretch was on a downhill bit, if they were on they overpass they were hiding, cause i never saw a thing, and
when i asked where they were one said 'we were hiding' and the other cut in and said 'oh, we werent hiding'
they measured me over 1.443 miles...
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 11:32 AM |
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Nothing but sympathy from me.
Problem I have is that it's becoming increasingly difficult to watch the road traffic, instead, I'm scanning for potholes, cops on
bridges, greed cameras and the plethora of revenue-raising initiatives introduced on the roads.
I ride a bike, I drive a car, the authorities don't seem to like me doing the former, period, without revenue raising.
There was some discussion from one of Grabbing Gordon's quangoes that licence points for speeding need a review soon. There's apparently
an unhealthy number of people off the road on speeding points accumulation, therefore not contributing to the State salaries, one solution being to
make it all far more a financial penalty than a licence one...... safety?
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loggyboy
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 03:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
VASCAR is pretty infalable im affraid.
Without video evidence it's very fallible, a copper could make it read whatever he wants since he controls the start and stop times.
With one copper yes, and if he was alone without video you would have more than likely got a warning (as they know that if you did argue it wouldnt
even get to court) thats happened to me many-a-time.
But with two coppers in the car then you try and dispute their statements, with them backing each other up in front a magistrate.. you would not have
a chance!
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MautoK
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| posted on 12/5/09 at 04:09 PM |
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If the NSL is 70mph, then it doesn't matter how 'safe' or otherwise it is, the limit is 70mph. Exceed it at the peril of your
wallet. Simple! 
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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WanchaiWarrior
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| posted on 13/5/09 at 05:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sucksqueezebangblow
Just another road tax. I'ts certainly not for safety. I drove for years in Germany usually averaging 125MPH and regularly overtaken by 150MPH
Mercs. The Autobahns are perfectly safe. Police regurlarly do more that 70 to chase miscreants. Are they unsafe? I'm sure they'll tell you
they are not unsafe!. If anything the UK speed limit is unsafe because it makes pedantic w**kers feel they have the right to pull out on you with no
space if they are doing 70 ("nobody should be going faster than me" mentality). Or to cruise in the outside lane and stack up frustrated
drivers behind them for mile upon mile. No surprise the most common mortorway crash is a multiple car front/rear shunt! And such shunts are
surprisingly safe as well as drivers almost invariably walk away uninjured (apart from a little whip-lash for the insurance claiming, ambulance
chasing lawyers). Mortorways are the safest roads in UK, what are plod doing ticketing for 88MPH, revenue raising, that's what
Think its even worse here in Oz, Ive just been done doing 124km/h in a 110 zone, my speedo was showing 120.
0 - 13 over is 1 point, 13 - 20 3 points. Bearing in mind I was sitting on 9 out of 12 points as well. AUD200 I can live with, 1 point I could
have.
Oh well learnt my lesson to sit at 110 on motorways then
[Edited on 13-5-2009 by WanchaiWarrior]
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 13/5/09 at 12:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MautoK
If the NSL is 70mph, then it doesn't matter how 'safe' or otherwise it is, the limit is 70mph. Exceed it at the peril of your
wallet. Simple!
Yes, but to whose benefit? The Motorist or the Tax Man? And the w*nk*rs are planning to bring the national speed limit down to 50 on all other roads
in order to tax even more motorists! More people are killed doing DIY than on our roads. What are the w*nk*rs doing about that? Taxing motorists is
simply the easy option.
[Edited on 13/5/09 by sucksqueezebangblow]
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow ©
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MautoK
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| posted on 13/5/09 at 01:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sucksqueezebangblow
quote:
Originally posted by MautoK
If the NSL is 70mph, then it doesn't matter how 'safe' or otherwise it is, the limit is 70mph. Exceed it at the peril of your
wallet. Simple!
Yes, but to whose benefit? The Motorist or the Tax Man? And the w*nk*rs are planning to bring the national speed limit down to 50 on all other roads
in order to tax even more motorists! More people are killed doing DIY than on our roads. What are the w*nk*rs doing about that? Taxing motorists is
simply the easy option.
[Edited on 13/5/09 by sucksqueezebangblow]
Why complicate the matter?
There is a limit. If you exceed it and get caught you get fined. What could be simpler?
It is entirely your option as to whether you are subject to that 'tax bracket'
I agree that many limits seem wrong, inconsistent, ill-thought or whatever but that's how it is. Unless you can get into the appropriate
politico-administrative position to change matters I suspect you have to live with it (or pay the 'tax'
[Edited on 13/5/09 by MautoK]
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 13/5/09 at 03:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MautoK
It is entirely your option as to whether you are subject to that 'tax bracket'
Well that's not actually true is it? There have been quite a number cases successfully fought where either the evidence has been proven to be
incorrect, or where enough doubt has been introduced to throw the case out. The LTI2020 "dodgyscope" is one that springs to mind, with a
slight wobble of the hand it can be persuaded to read wildly inaccurate speeds. Gatsos get affected by radar reflections from trucks etc, and people
have been sent FPN's even though the pictures clearly showed they were not speeding using the white lines.
Then you have the vast number of roads that are incorrectly signed, so the posted limit doesn't actually apply, the pratnerships have had to
refund many fines due to this kind of incompetence.
I'm willing to bet a substantial number of people have been wrongly accused of speeding and have simply paid the fine and taken the points.
This is probably my number one motoring hate, the focus on speed above everything else in the alleged name of safety. The fact that they have
failed to make any significant impact on road deaths and injuries, and that several safety pratnerships have been caught lying about the stats to keep
themselves on the gravy train doesn't seem to matter.
If there was any real interest in road safety and saving lives rather than simply expanding surveillance and controlling people, then cameras would be
the last resort, not the first.
The scum have just errected numerous average speed camera towers on the A38 in the last few days. Having seen the number of torched Gatsos in the
locality I have no doubt that 'maintenance' on these will be very high and can only hope they will eventually be removed if they cost more
to continuously repair/replace than they make .
[Edited on 13/5/09 by MikeRJ]
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