mr henderson
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 07:41 PM |
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duratec 2.5v6 or Zetec 2.0?
I can use either in my project, and it seems to me that the duratec is the best bet, more power, no cam belt problems, alloy block, more modern
design
I would be interested in the opinions of others, though
TIA
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coozer
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 07:44 PM |
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Bigger the better???
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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AndyH
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 07:44 PM |
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2.0 Duratec not an option?
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MkIndy7
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 08:03 PM |
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Two exhausts and mounts etc to buy or make for the V6.
Two cylinder heads if anything needs replacing, seals, head gaskets faster cam's etc
The V6 is no doubt slightly heavier and physically bigger as well.
Not that there a downer on the V6... just things to consider.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 08:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyH
2.0 Duratec not an option?
I'm looking at Mk2 Mondeo donors so no, the 2.0 duratec isn't an option. Thanks anyway
[Edited on 27/9/07 by mr henderson]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 08:29 PM |
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Neither. Fit a bike engine............ 
Phil
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chrisg
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 09:15 PM |
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If I could have put money on what you'd say Phil!!!
cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 09:37 PM |
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Personally I'm biased but my Duratec V6 is pretty good. 200bhp with a few basic mods and there's always the possibilty of a turbo or two
It's probably one of the lightest V6's around and mates nicely with the MT-75 or MTX-75 gearbox for transverse applications. (I've
got a spare box or two as well)
I have a base map if you need one and if you need any more info just shout 
[Edited on 27-9-07 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 10:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
It's probably one of the lightest V6's around and mates nicely with the MT-75 or MTX-75 gearbox for transverse applications. (I've
got a spare box or two as well)
It will not mate up to the MT75. The MT75 uses the old Ford bolt pattern so will fit Pintos, Crossflows, Zetecs, CVH's etc, but not the newer
Duratec engines. You need the Jaguar S type box and sump for RWD applications.
I reckon lots more people would be using them if in Locosts etc. if gearbox availbility was less of a problem.
[Edited on 27/9/07 by MikeRJ]
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worX
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 10:25 PM |
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I can't wait to see your twin turbo set up Raz!
I am with Phil! - stick a Bike engine in there and have more fun than you know whats good for ya!!!
Steve
quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
Personally I'm biased but my Duratec V6 is pretty good. 200bhp with a few basic mods and there's always the possibilty of a turbo or two
It's probably one of the lightest V6's around and mates nicely with the MT-75 or MTX-75 gearbox for transverse applications. (I've
got a spare box or two as well)
I have a base map if you need one and if you need any more info just shout
[Edited on 27-9-07 by RazMan]
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DIY Si
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 10:37 PM |
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It may be a light V6, but it doesn't make it light! I can pick up a zetec (just) put the V6 is far too much. Although it is a fairly nice
design, but tuning parts are a little thin on the ground compared to the zetec. As said, just llok to Noble for the possible power outputs, as they
use a twin turbo version of the V6, albeit with some internal mods.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 10:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
It will not mate up to the MT75. The MT75 uses the old Ford bolt pattern so will fit Pintos, Crossflows, Zetecs, CVH's etc, but not the newer
Duratec engines. You need the Jaguar S type box and sump for RWD applications.
Quite right Mike - I seem to remember I got that wrong recently too (senior moment obviously )
Tuning parts are indeed a bit thin on the ground but you can find a few bits and pieces on the US Contour forums. Apparently fitting ST220 cams will
give the 2.5 litre engine quite a power hike and the intake manifolds from an ST200 (or US SVT) is very effective.
Removing the secondary butterflies improve the breathing a bit as well as removing all of the emmissions related stuff.
The standard water pump can also be ditched and replaced with an EWP, releasing a few more ponies.
quote:
Originally posted by worX
I can't wait to see your twin turbo set up Raz!
Hmmm I doubt it will be twins but you never know
[Edited on 27-9-07 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Chippy
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 11:03 PM |
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As a confirmed V6'er, there's no contest, the lovely sound of a V6 on full song, cracking. With four pot its just any chav machine, a long
f*rt. Bike engines are just great, in bikes. Ray
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iank
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| posted on 27/9/07 at 11:07 PM |
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mr henderson claims to be building a 'MEC' if that means a Mid engined car then gearbox won't be a problem use the MTX75 from the
Mondeo.
In which case v6 every time if you have room - it's all alloy so not a lot heavier than the zetec.
You'll spend a lot of money getting a 2.0 zetec up to the same power the 2.5 duratec has as standard, so no tuning parts required unless you
'need' to go past 200bhp (ish).
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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ned
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| posted on 28/9/07 at 07:36 AM |
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There are tuning parts available if you know where to go (or have a big enough wallet!)
Mountune have built nat asp race engines based on the 3ltr jag v6 (a derivation of the 2.5 duratec) at over 400bhp and this was a year or two ago..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Hellfire
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| posted on 28/9/07 at 08:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippy
As a confirmed V6'er, there's no contest, the lovely sound of a V6 on full song, cracking. With four pot its just any chav machine, a long
f*rt. Bike engines are just great, in bikes. Ray
Whilst a V6 does sound 2 cylinders short of a real engine, I'd agree with our Phil. See the rear of your's on the next lap....
Steve
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Chippy
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| posted on 28/9/07 at 10:44 PM |
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Whilst a V6 does sound 2 cylinders short of a real engine, I'd agree with our Phil. See the rear of your's on the next lap....
Come now Steve, why would you want to see my rear. . But as I run something OVER 220 BHP, could you even keep up.   Cheers Ray
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Hellfire
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| posted on 29/9/07 at 06:11 PM |
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So that works out about what........ 110bhp per tonne??? Keeping up would be no problem whatsoever. We'd even give you a head start
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coozer
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| posted on 29/9/07 at 08:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Neither. Fit a bike engine............
Phil
Another hijack, bike engines just don't get anywhere near a V6 for power and torque..
And how about the individuality of the car with a V6 in it? Go for it!
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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RazMan
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| posted on 29/9/07 at 08:33 PM |
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^^^^^^^
Yeah, wot he said
Bloomin girly hairdryers pah!
[Edited on 29-9-07 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Hellfire
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| posted on 30/9/07 at 06:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Neither. Fit a bike engine............
Phil
Another hijack, bike engines just don't get anywhere near a V6 for power and torque..
And how about the individuality of the car with a V6 in it? Go for it!
You so need power and talk in a car that weighs next to nothing... ours generates nearly 400bhp/tonne (more if you're talking flywheel bhp). Who
needs torque on such a light car?
I thought that's what 7's were for? Quick and nimbleness...
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Chippy
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| posted on 30/9/07 at 10:17 PM |
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Hellfire you miss the point entirely. The car may be light, (Ermm! maybe not mine), and nimble, but it's the quality of the sound it makes
that's just as important. Now while you may just loooove wearing a helmet and ear plugs, some of us love the sound of a real CEC engine, fours,
sixes Hmmm!, and eights. Not all of us want to blast round a track at warp nine. I even have a radio in mine, which as long as I don't hit the
loud pedal too hard is great. Cheers Ray
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mr henderson
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 05:48 PM |
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V6 Duratec acquired today, thanks for all the advice. Whole car (P reg Ghia) for £500 in excellent running order, FSH, less than 100,000 miles, and
plenty of sellable bits too.
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RazMan
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 07:44 PM |
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Nice one! Is it an ST24 or just vanilla flavour?
If you stumble on any performance goodies for it, give me a shout - I will do likewise
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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mr henderson
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 08:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
Nice one! Is it an ST24 or just vanilla flavour?
If you stumble on any performance goodies for it, give me a shout - I will do likewise
What's wrong with Vanilla? I like vanilla especially with some fresh baked apple pie
On a more serious note, though, it's just the ordinary 167BHP (guess that's more than most BEC's though).
I'm not plannng any modifications at the moment, but I will certainly draw you attention if I see any tuning bits on offer
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