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MattWatson - 12/1/03 at 12:49 AM

The website for my peoject is up and running now, and you can check it out at :

http://members.shaw.ca/wavindustries/

I havn't got any pictures up as of yet, but I will hopefully soon.

Alan B - 12/1/03 at 03:33 AM

Good start Matt

We'll be watching you

ProjectLMP - 12/1/03 at 04:23 AM

Looks like we've got quite the collection of projects building. Should make for interesting reading over the coming months (and years!).

Matt, I like the site. Can I add a link to it from mine?

MattWatson - 12/1/03 at 05:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ProjectLMP
Looks like we've got quite the collection of projects building. Should make for interesting reading over the coming months (and years!).

Matt, I like the site. Can I add a link to it from mine?


Sure, I'll reciprocate and add one on my links page when I add it.

Now down to a question: do you think I should stick with the VERY modified 1.6VW Turbo idea or go fo a chev 350 plant? I have one, and the other I can also get for free..

Maybe a Canadian Ultima slayer?

[Edited on 12/1/03 by MattWatson]

BasOlij - 12/1/03 at 11:24 AM

whow, it seems we're all getting the GT bug here:-)

Matt good fortunes designing this one:-) Which engine to take? I dunne know. The bug engine has the advantage it's easy, straight forward and loads of things you can do with it. I don't know about the chevy one but power.

I gather you are going for an MR layout? Keep in mind you bug engine lies after the gearbox. Not to good for your weight placement. Swap it around:-)

TheGecko - 12/1/03 at 01:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by BasOlij
Keep in mind you bug engine lies after the gearbox.
Bas,

Reading Matt's website, I'm pretty sure the VW engine he's talking about is the Golf 4 cylinder, not the Beetle, since he mentions the AUDI 20V head as a swap.

Mid-engine with Golf drivetrain was done in Australia back in the early '80s - the Bolwell Ikara. See my website http://www.DIYSportsCar.org/ikara.html for some photos and follow to link to the Bolwell Owners Club for some more.

Look forward to seeing your site (and car) develop Matt.

Dominic

BasOlij - 12/1/03 at 03:33 PM

Hi Dominic,

OOPS, my fault:-) I'm so used to bug engines being placed in kitcars I think of it automatically when VW is named:-)

ProjectLMP - 12/1/03 at 04:18 PM

I really like the sound of V8's and the torque really makes it feel like you are going fast. However, I am really into lighweight cars as you just cannot beat the handling. I would personnaly go with the 1.6VW turbo. Having a big lump of V8 in a very light car is bound to effect the handling. Not to mention everything will need uprating from chassis to driveline to cope with the torque. V8's can be really hard on gearboxes if you plan on tracking the car. I have friends who race Ultimas and Stealths and they went through $10,000 Porsche gearboxes every two or three races until they switched to $25,000 hewland boxes. Granted, they ran slicks.

MattWatson - 12/1/03 at 07:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ProjectLMP
I really like the sound of V8's and the torque really makes it feel like you are going fast. However, I am really into lighweight cars as you just cannot beat the handling. I would personnaly go with the 1.6VW turbo. Having a big lump of V8 in a very light car is bound to effect the handling. Not to mention everything will need uprating from chassis to driveline to cope with the torque. V8's can be really hard on gearboxes if you plan on tracking the car. I have friends who race Ultimas and Stealths and they went through $10,000 Porsche gearboxes every two or three races until they switched to $25,000 hewland boxes. Granted, they ran slicks.


Yah I just thought I would fire the point out, because I can get both basically for free. Now I just need to find a head and a turbo.

Time to visit pick your part.

Spyderman - 12/1/03 at 11:19 PM

Another benefit to keeping it 1.6L is the catagory or group you would fit into if you did decide to race or sprint/hillclimb it.

There is a lot of competition with the higher cc engines.

Terry

Rorty - 13/1/03 at 05:11 AM

Well done Matt, that's a good start.
I think you already have your answer on which of the two engines to go for. I would agree with the general consensus, however, if the V8 was a Northstar, or Rover, then I would change my mind in an instant!

ProjectLMP - 13/1/03 at 10:33 AM

Matt,
This may be of interest to you.


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MattWatson - 14/1/03 at 07:54 PM

That porsche is interesting, I would like to see what they have in the engine compartment.

Ironically, from everything I got from the donor car, I am only going to be able to use the block (w/ assorted parts) and the injection system.

I really want to change the transmission to a 5speed unit, and it is a direct bolt on, so I guess that will be my mode of opperations.

I am also going to have to probably switch a 16V VW DOHC head for the AUDI 20V head as I don't think I will be able to find one cheap (READ: I can get the 16V head with everything for 20$) but If I manage to find one, I think I will pick it up.

So far my turbo plans are for a Saab t3 turbo, which are plentiful and easy to find. If however I can't find one, a friend has a NEW one I can have for free, but he would prefer to keep it, so I think I will try to find one first.

Now a question for everyone: What are you guys using for lights? I can't really affor a 3000US$ HID kit or one of the projector kits, so what is everyone planning on using? I can't really use anything with a diameter above 5 inches or so... any ideas?

Alan B - 14/1/03 at 07:57 PM

Hella 90mm units ..$45 each....

Matt, swap links?

ProjectLMP - 14/1/03 at 08:31 PM

The engine is a 1.8 turbo currently used in VW's and Audi A4's. It has an APR stage III turbo setup (www.goapr.com) and puts out about 350hp

MattWatson - 15/1/03 at 12:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Alan B
Hella 90mm units ..$45 each....

Matt, swap links?


http://www.wideopenwest.com/~xr4tic/index.html

This is a swap in an A4, replacing the 1.8L block (AUDI) with a 2.0L block from VW. All VW blocks (apparently all audi blocks too) have the same bolt patern.

The Audi and VW 20V heads have an extra 3 holes for oil return, so plugging them is as simple as tapping them, adding a hex bolt, and sealing with a compound (which I have yet to figure out what it is) It dosn't seem to effect reliablity which is a good thing.

If I can get an AUDI head, I will just tear off the intake and exhaust manifolds with turbo and injection systems to aid me in simplicity.

The thing I was going to do was to use the CIS system on my current engine (apparently excellent for turbos and chargers) and machine a set of individual throttle bodies as the cis system is head instead of manifold injection. It has been done to good effect.

If I can't find a 20V head, I will get a 16V one from any post '91 passat or post '95 Jetta/Golf. This head bolts on with NO modifications, and all I would need is the exhaust and intake.

The exhaust I plan on using would be a custom Stainless exaust welded together using the mandrel bend tubing that I can get made. (I don't have a mandrel bending setup ) I do have a lathe however, and can do the throttle bodies fairly easily.

Sould be interesting. I think I am going to get the engine done, and then check on the chassis. This might change, as I think I will get someone else to tear the engine apart for me, as it is much more fun to assemble rather than take apart.

We have hot tanking facilities so cleaning will be a snap, except for the heads as it eats them.... which the solution say it shouldn't?

Anyway thats currently the plan.

MattWatson - 15/1/03 at 12:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ProjectLMP
The engine is a 1.8 turbo currently used in VW's and Audi A4's. It has an APR stage III turbo setup (www.goapr.com) and puts out about 350hp


Since you have some experience in this (and I can't find it online) what is the first year of the 20V head? I have heard of it in a '94 but I am hoping it was also in an earlier year.

Matt

ProjectLMP - 15/1/03 at 04:06 PM

I don't have much experience with the 4 cyl engines. Try posting on www.audiworld.com in the A4 forum.