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02GF74

posted on 21/5/16 at 09:00 PM Reply With Quote
where have all the cymbals gone

Arse, tits and bollocks, been listening to a martin logan spkrs just bought and noticed i am no longer hearing the cymbals on apettite for destruction, im sure they used to be there.

This will have something to do with it. (Will go to docs for syringing but not expecting much)

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posted on 21/5/16 at 10:52 PM Reply With Quote
http://onlinetonegenerator.com/hearingtest.html

Couple of test -

1) use the link above on a tablet or laptop, play the sig gen and see where you can't hear the sound (i'm quite fortunate and still get to 16k but I know I have pretty good hearing for my age despite playing for many year in a brass band and going to many heavy metal gigs). This will test you hearing range. If this is OK, guess 10k+ then

2) if it it possible to link the tablet or laptop to you amp, pkay the sound through the speakers and see if you can still hear to the same frequency, if not I would guess your tweeters/ crossovers are dead, typical tweeter cross over frequencies are around 3kHz.

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02GF74

posted on 21/5/16 at 11:05 PM Reply With Quote
silence at 12.7 k on lap top; will try on another system.... I have signal generator that I can plug in to hifi so that will reveal all.

I suspect I am not going to be able to defeat the ageing process.





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posted on 21/5/16 at 11:15 PM Reply With Quote
I've just built some cabinets out of six pallets and put some 6x9's in them.... Loverly sound for my test... OMS 1845, 1845 on the dark side..... BOOM...... Nice😁





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Ugg10

posted on 21/5/16 at 11:46 PM Reply With Quote
OMS 1845, classic track, assuming you mean one minute silence.

Don't have many regrets but getting rid of my quad 44 + 405/2 and kef reference 104/2 is one of them, those speakers had the sweetest mid range. Moved house and did not have anywhere to thay could go.

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Bluemoon

posted on 22/5/16 at 06:37 AM Reply With Quote
You could always get some refurbished EL57.... Astonishing mid range Depends on music choice as to impact, but the ear is most tuned to the human voice even in old age

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posted on 22/5/16 at 09:05 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
OMS 1845, classic track, assuming you mean one minute silence.

Don't have many regrets but getting rid of my quad 44 + 405/2 and kef reference 104/2 is one of them, those speakers had the sweetest mid range. Moved house and did not have anywhere to thay could go.

[Edited on 21/5/16 by Ugg10]


Yep, 1845 by one minute silence is my test life for speakers. Listening through a big woofer in a powered car system the bass boom is massive!!





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Wadders

posted on 22/5/16 at 09:31 AM Reply With Quote
Went quiet for me at 11,500k so I guess I'm not as deaf as I thought. Which is weird as I struggle to hold a conversation in a crowded restaurant or pub etc.
I'm 51 btw. How old are you OP?

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posted on 22/5/16 at 12:36 PM Reply With Quote
Just gone 13500 for me (37). Wife (31) was ok till 14500 and 5 yr old daughter could till 15k+






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GeoffT

posted on 22/5/16 at 12:50 PM Reply With Quote
Nothing for me above 8k (67yrs) but wasn't able to hear above 10k in my twenties. Hearing is surprisingly not too bad but struggle in noisy background situations.

My father was very deaf in his later years, I keep hoping I don't go the same way...

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02GF74

posted on 22/5/16 at 02:37 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Wadders. How old are you OP?


We are pretty similar age wise.

Hooked up the signal gen to the hifi and am hearing 15k if the dial is to be believed, 16k or above: silencio completemundo. (I was having to crank up the voume up a bit so maybe not a true reprentation)

That does sound pardon the pun better than expected but i know i must have dips ad i too can struggle a bit hearing conversation against a noisey background but that is part of the getter oldet pricess.

The ml have lost a bit of top end perhaps 500hz when compared to my b&w or wb speakers, or maybe they never had it, they are pushing 20yrs.

Beginning to wonder if my memory of afd is correct....

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posted on 22/5/16 at 02:57 PM Reply With Quote
I have just heard on the radio that Boots are doing free hearing tests and checks.
I would suggest if you are that curious or worried, let a pro have a look.

Regarding the OP. The missing cymbals would not bother me if it was my home stereo. Get or use a good EQ and increase that frequency , thats what they are for.

I used to set up very expensive car stereos for a living. I would say I have a reasonably keen ear. I used to take ages, sitting in every single seat of the car and checking levels. Some of the set ups with dedicated amps and eqs for each channel were great.

Once I was happy I then spent time making sure the customer was happy. I actively increased then to come back for me to tweak it if required. The main problem that I found was people were so impressed to start of with they did not know or care to get it better. The other enthusiastic type asked me how the set up worked, so I spent longer showing them how to change the settings, they then did the changes themselves.

I left that job in the end, hating it and wanting to move on in my life. I also knew I would look back on it fondly as an awesome job to have.





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TheGecko

posted on 23/5/16 at 03:11 AM Reply With Quote
Well was disturbing Had a listen through headphones and everything fell off above about 7k. Wondered if it was the headphones so wifey had a listen and could hear all the way to 15k . Time for a visit to the doctor/audiologist I suspect Certainly explains the increasing difficulty understanding softly spoken female coworkers. I'm 51 BTW.

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adithorp

posted on 23/5/16 at 06:41 AM Reply With Quote
I was OK until about 12k then it got drowned out by the tinnitus.





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David Jenkins

posted on 23/5/16 at 07:41 AM Reply With Quote
I could only hear up to 7k (I'm 64 this year). Apart from age, this may well be due to hobbies/interests from years ago - full-bore pistol and rifle shooting, and motorcycling. When shooting I always wore ear defenders, but there were occasions where I accidentally lifted them before people had finished. The problem with biking was the wind noise - even in a full-face helmet you think it's fairly quiet, but the constant wind buffeting takes its toll (it's a big problem for police bikers, what with that and the sirens).





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posted on 23/5/16 at 07:45 AM Reply With Quote
Appetite for Destruction definitely has cymbals on it - just read Slash's biography and it was quite enlightening just how small a part G N' R was of his life. It was also very sad to learn quite the effect that heroin had on them and in particular the drummer.






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Ugg10

posted on 23/5/16 at 08:52 AM Reply With Quote
If you have teenage kids that are getting on your nerves then try the teenage mosquito test on them -

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/try-it-can-you-hear-these-sounds-only-young-112627654778.html

17.4khz sound that they can hear but you probably can't. Sit there all calm and play the sound on your tablet/laptop at full volume, Drives them nuts !





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Furyous

posted on 26/5/16 at 07:08 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
http://onlinetonegenerator.com/hearingtest.html

Couple of test -

1) use the link above on a tablet or laptop, play the sig gen and see where you can't hear the sound (i'm quite fortunate and still get to 16k but I know I have pretty good hearing for my age despite playing for many year in a brass band and going to many heavy metal gigs). This will test you hearing range. If this is OK, guess 10k+ then

2) if it it possible to link the tablet or laptop to you amp, pkay the sound through the speakers and see if you can still hear to the same frequency, if not I would guess your tweeters/ crossovers are dead, typical tweeter cross over frequencies are around 3kHz.

Hope this helps


That was weird. I tried it with headphones. Through the range, it started getting quieter then louder - it was almost silent at about 5KHz but got louder up to 12KHz. At some points there was a definite shift to the left - most noticeable around 9KHz. It trailed off around 14.5KHz and then came back fairly loudly at 15 all the way through to 19.5KHz. But the last 5KHz seemed to be getting lower in tone, and seemed like a different kind of sound.

I've been meaning to get a hearing test for a while. I have a lot of trouble listening to speech with background noise. Half the time people talk to me it's like they're talking into a plastic cup.


Edit: I just looked at the graph at the top again and that's exactly what I was describing! A big dip at about 5KHz, then gets louder up to about 12KHz before trailing off.

[Edited on 26/5/16 by Furyous]

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bi22le

posted on 26/5/16 at 07:21 PM Reply With Quote
Do also consider that speakers have particular ranges of frequency they can produce.

Little ear phones will not be great at reaching lower frequencies.


quote:
Originally posted by Furyous
quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
http://onlinetonegenerator.com/hearingtest.html

Couple of test -

1) use the link above on a tablet or laptop, play the sig gen and see where you can't hear the sound (i'm quite fortunate and still get to 16k but I know I have pretty good hearing for my age despite playing for many year in a brass band and going to many heavy metal gigs). This will test you hearing range. If this is OK, guess 10k+ then

2) if it it possible to link the tablet or laptop to you amp, pkay the sound through the speakers and see if you can still hear to the same frequency, if not I would guess your tweeters/ crossovers are dead, typical tweeter cross over frequencies are around 3kHz.

Hope this helps


That was weird. I tried it with headphones. Through the range, it started getting quieter then louder - it was almost silent at about 5KHz but got louder up to 12KHz. At some points there was a definite shift to the left - most noticeable around 9KHz. It trailed off around 14.5KHz and then came back fairly loudly at 15 all the way through to 19.5KHz. But the last 5KHz seemed to be getting lower in tone, and seemed like a different kind of sound.

I've been meaning to get a hearing test for a while. I have a lot of trouble listening to speech with background noise. Half the time people talk to me it's like they're talking into a plastic cup.


Edit: I just looked at the graph at the top again and that's exactly what I was describing! A big dip at about 5KHz, then gets louder up to about 12KHz before trailing off.

[Edited on 26/5/16 by Furyous]






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posted on 26/5/16 at 07:35 PM Reply With Quote
I sacrificed my hearing to have a nasty brain tumour removed, now 80% deaf plus working in a shipyard probably helped, what does music sound like ? Take care of you hearing, you'll miss it when its gone. I get very frustrated, cant here the Stones no more.
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jeffw

posted on 26/5/16 at 07:51 PM Reply With Quote
55 years old and 14.8KHz....which isn't bad.






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