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Author: Subject: Original plate 8 points later engine change?
miskit

posted on 22/11/18 at 11:18 PM Reply With Quote
Original plate 8 points later engine change?

Say I build a car on a chassis and keep the Reg based on the 8 point rule having submitted a V627/1 - but I only have 8 points inc the engine. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles
If I then want to swap out the engine at a later date will it then need an IVA despite having been driven around for a year?

Any one point me at the legislation on this ?

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loggyboy

posted on 23/11/18 at 12:42 AM Reply With Quote
Only matters at point of registration.





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cliftyhanger

posted on 23/11/18 at 07:58 AM Reply With Quote
Nope, it does matter and would need IVA.

Same as any car that has been modified and then doesn't make teh 8 points. Hence loads of escorts running about with modified shells that SHOULD have an IVA.

When I built my spitfire I had to be very careful. I am on 8 points. Just.

Unless you are saying the "radically altered vehicle" resets the points, and you can then change a load of stuff again (but still have to keep the unmodified chassis or monocoque)? But there is nothing to confirm that on the guidance. Better to be clear that something IS acceptable, otherwise you really are up a creek if/when things go wrong.

[Edited on 23/11/18 by cliftyhanger]

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jps

posted on 23/11/18 at 09:02 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Nope, it does matter and would need IVA.

[Edited on 23/11/18 by cliftyhanger]


but IVA is not the registration process...

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Bluemoon

posted on 23/11/18 at 11:42 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by jps
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Nope, it does matter and would need IVA.

[Edited on 23/11/18 by cliftyhanger]


but IVA is not the registration process...


The points system threshold triggers the IVA.... I guess effectively resetting the points system as this is then the date of registration??

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cliftyhanger

posted on 23/11/18 at 01:35 PM Reply With Quote
probably safest to check with DVLA. If it goes pear-shaped, saying "a bloke on a forum reckons...." is not that helpful
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jps

posted on 23/11/18 at 02:51 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
probably safest to check with DVLA. If it goes pear-shaped, saying "a bloke on a forum reckons...." is not that helpful


My point is that the OP mentions "keep the Reg ", so I assume he's concerned about loosing the reg? (Perhaps not). Which can only happen if he has to re-register the vehicle.

DVLA guidance on gov.uk (see here https://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registration-certificate) says:

"Change of engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)

You need to provide either:

a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)"

Mention of change of engine number. No mention of IVA.

Yes - plenty of cars (like the Z-cars bike engined minis) should have IVA - but that's because they are 'radically altered' - not because of the engine swap....

[Edited on 23/11/18 by jps]

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loggyboy

posted on 23/11/18 at 10:07 PM Reply With Quote
There are hundreds if not thousands of modified cars on the road that might need IVA.
However this situation is different as once this one is registered using the 8 points. it has been correctly registered. Any future modifications are no different to modding a type approved car or making chanes to an IVAd kit a few days after IVA.





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ianhurley20

posted on 23/11/18 at 10:50 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by loggyboy
There are hundreds if not thousands of modified cars on the road that might need IVA.
However this situation is different as once this one is registered using the 8 points. it has been correctly registered. Any future modifications are no different to modding a type approved car or making chanes to an IVAd kit a few days after IVA.


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scimjim

posted on 23/11/18 at 11:01 PM Reply With Quote
Iím not so sure.

You have a type approved vehicle from a major manufacturer and you have a limit of modification (8 point system) before it needs another approval (IVA). The V627 doesnít change that approval, it just recognises the changes to that original approval.

Once it has an IVA, youíve essentially reset the 8 point counter as it was approved in the condition submitted?

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loggyboy

posted on 24/11/18 at 12:04 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by scimjim
Iím not so sure.

You have a type approved vehicle from a major manufacturer and you have a limit of modification (8 point system) before it needs another approval (IVA). The V627 doesnít change that approval, it just recognises the changes to that original approval.

Once it has an IVA, youíve essentially reset the 8 point counter as it was approved in the condition submitted?


But its also reset when u register it under the 8 points system. If i change various parts of any car over time it doesnt matter. Only if i do them at the same time. Its the triggers broom analogy.





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owelly

posted on 24/11/18 at 02:13 AM Reply With Quote
The points system works from "as manufactured". So, the timeline is irrelevant.





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ste

posted on 24/11/18 at 04:44 PM Reply With Quote
Surely once your car is registered the parts on it are now part of that car and you would need to change 8 of those parts to trigger the change
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ianhurley20

posted on 24/11/18 at 04:51 PM Reply With Quote
I think that if you have built and registered a car correctly then only major changes tomthe cahassis would invoke any sort of procedure, simply changing an engine is not a major chassis change unless you put an engine in which requires major structural changes.

If it was the case then lots of us would be in real truoble for putting a Zetec in instead of a Pinto!





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chillis

posted on 24/11/18 at 06:38 PM Reply With Quote
I presume the OP is trying to avoid the IVA test otherwise why not just IVA the car once completed and fitted with the engine you want.
When you are using the 8 point rule you are not registering the vehicle as a new vehicle, using the 8 point rule is about making changes to an existing identity (registration)
So if you then change something and it no longer meets the 8 point rule you could well find you get refused an MOT test and the car getting referred for an IVA test. - Yes this happens





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miskit

posted on 25/11/18 at 09:47 PM Reply With Quote
quote:

Any future modifications are no different to modding a type approved car or making chanes to an IVAd kit a few days after IVA.



Except an engine change is DVLA notifiable whereas loosing your IVA wing mirrors is not!

Just to re-state the original question.

Normal Car

Bunch of stuff modified but I have 8 points, fill in the form keep the reg get a new V5 with the mods noted if required.

IF 1 year later I want to put in a bigger engine. IVA or no IVA ?

Hoping to find the actual legislation on this.

[Edited on 25/11/18 by miskit]

[Edited on 25/11/18 by miskit]

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