i´m searching for a mate, a ball joint with the below given dimenisons (the pic is a random pic, the given measurements are the "real" ones)

its fitted in an ac3000me

the most headscratching measurement is the spline diameter of 41,52mm




any ideas where thsi balljoint could come from?

[Edited on 9/2/17 by alfas]

Nope I don't know what it's from, but a good motor factor should be able to help identify it.

The Ø41.52 is strange, it doesn't convert to an imperial size I'm aware of - guessing the core Ø may be metric though as it looks to be press fit into the wishbone.

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Originally posted by nick205
The Ø41.52 is strange, it doesn't convert to an imperial size I'm aware of - guessing the core Ø may be metric though as it looks to be press fit into the wishbone.

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AC has made lots of their parts themselves...uprites, wishbones, brake discs...and the ones they used form the general parts bin are form jag or aston and some triumph ones.

1 5/8" would be from which car?

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Originally posted by alfasthe pic is a random pic, the given measurements are the "real" ones

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Didn't the old Vauxhall Viva have something like that? Didn't have a corresponding spline, just 'chewed' into the hole upon tightening.

VAUXHALL VIVA HA HB HC 1963 -1979 SUSPENSION LOWER BALL JOINTS PAIR (BJ2)

[Edited on 9/2/17 by benchmark51]

yes the viva´s, magnum´s etc had something like this....but not the mentioned spline diameter..they are smaller as i remember.

unfortunately i do not get any specific measurements from the supliers or at mr. google.

the original part does not contain any markings, even not on the rubber-dust cap

[Edited on 9/2/17 by alfas]

Maybe contacting Quinton Hazell would help. They have been around a long time and have catalogues and cross references available on line.

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Originally posted by Sam_68

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Originally posted by nick205
The Ø41.52 is strange, it doesn't convert to an imperial size I'm aware of - guessing the core Ø may be metric though as it looks to be press fit into the wishbone.

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It's suspiciously close to 1 5/8"?

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Have you tried Cavallier Mk 1
Q H catalogue shows 16mm Cone- No other dimensions though
QH No QS J694S
OE No 9293989
Also
QSJ 763 S Has 17mm Cone Fits Opel Commadore and Rekord

Googling for the part suggests it may be a Transit part (p/n 502 1430).

hmmmm the transit number turns out to be this:





so totally different


the cone size and thread isnt the problem for the moment....what we havent found is a ball joint which has a spline diameter of 41,52mm (or maybe 41,5)

[Edited on 9/2/17 by alfas]

Are the splines actually intact, or have you got measurements for a worn/altered part?

And is your mate sure that's the one part, or could it be more like your second picture but the rest of it is still attached to the wishbone? (I've done this with a top mount, couldn't figure out why the new one didn't fit the same then realised part of the old one was still on the strut!)

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Originally posted by benchmark51
Maybe contacting Quinton Hazell would help. They have been around a long time and have catalogues and cross references available on line.

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Has he asked on any AC forum ? as it may be a very sought after piece, but actually a modifiyed main stream part, hence you asking on here

Alternatively, asking in a good old fashioned motor factors would of been my next step, as the one I used when building the locost, the guy in there was brilliant, you didn't need a part no, or even a pattern, just ask for a xxxx,and back he comes with the exact thing I had asked for, none of the gormless idiots, that cant help unless you have the registration no, as in halfwits !!

steve

does the part on the other side have any part no.s/ markings?

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Originally posted by steve m
Has he asked on any AC forum ? as it may be a very sought after piece, but actually a modifiyed main stream part, hence you asking
on here

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old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany? nope
the splines are 100% intact
QH over here is only known for low-budget automotive items for modern cars...no support for "old" cars
the other side has the same part fitted, no markings anywhere
AC Forum? the ac3000me forum has been blocked for public viewers some years ago, as my mate is not really into forums and internet thats not an option.

seems that a bedford ball joint might have the same spline diameter

Looks like Vauxhall/Opel joint probably Chevette or Viva HC

we turn in a circle:

"it looks like" does not help as long as we do not have the specific measurements.

our first idea also was vauxhall...but it turned out that they have different measurements.
a mate dealing with panther lima (vauxhall viva & magnum based) told us that he has 2 of those balljoints left because such a tpye is fittedf in one of his clients cars
quite unususal, as all the other client´s panthers use the standard viva/magnum items which are smaller.

he also searched for markings on the new items: nothing.

we turn in a circle:

1. "it looks like" does not help as long as we do not have the specific measurements.

2. "old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany? nope "


1. BT, has suggested That the part looks like something from a Vauxhall yet you cut him down in one swing,
Nasty !

2. I suggest a "an old fashioned motor factors, and get a your reply of "old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany? nope "
Nasty !

BT is a well respected part of THIS club and has knowledge that exceeds your tiny self important small brain,

I, on the other hand, for some reason, am not psychic, and as your too fucxing lazy to put were your live in your profile have no clue were you live, (nor care )

steve

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Originally posted by steve m
we turn in a circle:

1. "it looks like" does not help as long as we do not have the specific measurements.

2. "old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany? nope "


1. BT, has suggested That the part looks like something from a Vauxhall yet you cut him down in one swing,
Nasty !

2. I suggest a "an old fashioned motor factors, and get a your reply of "old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany? nope "
Nasty !

BT is a well respected part of THIS club and has knowledge that exceeds your tiny self important small brain,

I, on the other hand, for some reason, am not psychic, and as your too fucxing lazy to put were your live in your profile have no clue were you live, (nor care )

steve

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https://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto& photo=2FE.jpeg

Will this picture work?
Still Vauxhall, Victor FE
Could be Record/Commadore as previously mentioned
Floor pans were the same

[Edited on 13/2/17 by Dingz]

as said...its very kind of you all to give some feedback...but without any measurements from the spline diameter of the parts you are posting, it unfortunately doesnt help

see my posting on page 1, 7th posting: "yes the viva´s, magnum´s etc had something like this....but not the mentioned spline diameter..they are smaller as i remember."

and herewith i would like to confirm: the spline-diameter of the mentioned vauxhall items is definately smaller.

[Edited on 13/2/17 by alfas]

have you looked any further into the bedford van (coincidentally same manufacturer as the vauxhalls) and to make it easier in Germany, was also badged as opel at one point.

but please post a picture of the actual item, its so much easier than dimensions on another random part.

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Originally posted by Dingz
https://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto& photo=2FE.jpeg

Will this picture work?
Still Vauxhall, Victor FE
Could be Record/Commadore as previously mentioned
Floor pans were the same

[Edited on 13/2/17 by Dingz]

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Description ball joint

Haven't got the dimensions but it looks a bit different to the original picture which the poster said wasn't the right one anyway.
The CF van was going to be marketed as the 'Blitz' in Germany !

looks similar to a ford ranger ball joint to me. do you have a picture of the upright or the suspension arm?

[Edited on 13/2/2017 by ashg]

this week the bedford items arrived

spline diameter ok
height ok
thread ok
taper too big (~17mm)

today i visited my mate....but havent seen your posting until now, otherwise i could have taken a pic

we tried also all different kind of opel´s and we always come back to the same problem, as with the vauxhall items....spline too small

[Edited on 19/2/17 by alfas]

[Edited on 19/2/17 by alfas]

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Originally posted by ashg


looks similar to a ford ranger ball joint to me. do you have a picture of the upright or the suspension arm?

[Edited on 13/2/2017 by ashg]

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if the taper is too big, can you ream out the hole it has to go into

like the second post on this page
http://mx5-haynes-roadster.blogspot.co.uk/2011_10_01_archive.html

edit:actually third post.

[Edited on 20/2/17 by gremlin1234]

enlarging the taper could be done in a future stage, even we dont prefer it, as there is not so much material left.

meanwhile we fitted the old ones (there was no mechanical wear)....we cleaned them, new grease, new dust-caps...and maybe time will bring the correct ones.

changing the taper on the car is not a solution for us.