do police hand held camera guns have a built in digital camera
bi22le - 25/10/12 at 07:45 AM
Went past one today and felt i got caught but was not stopped. I dont know the speed limit or if i was 10% over.
They seemed in no rush to chase and stop any speeders and would have trouble pulling people over on a dual carrageway at a round about.
Do they just take photos with the hand held and send it through now?
AndyW - 25/10/12 at 07:54 AM
Not sure about camera's but I got stopped once and he showed me the screen on a hand held. I did question the reading and asked for proof that it
was taken against my car. They could not show any evidence that it was actually a reading from my car and gave me the "talking too".
I was lucky that time.....
loggyboy - 25/10/12 at 07:57 AM
I've have seen hand held digi cameras with an officer on a bike. i know it was because he caught me! fCUker.
Was still quite a big unit. chances are it was just a laser and he was waiting for a real speedy speeder.
owelly - 25/10/12 at 09:02 AM
Afaik, the BiN are considered 'expert witnesses' and as such, they don't need photos as evidence. Their word is all they need....
mcerd1 - 25/10/12 at 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by owelly
Afaik, the BiN are considered 'expert witnesses' and as such, they don't need photos as evidence. Their word is all they need....
up here there needs to be two of them (one witness isn't enough north of the border, expert or not)
snapper - 25/10/12 at 09:09 AM
No they don't have cameras
As stated above their word is good enough
They would have stopped you there and then, the range is good enough that they would have a reading before you were aware they were there
If they wanted to stop you they had plenty of time, you got away with it
bi22le - 25/10/12 at 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by snapper
No they don't have cameras
As stated above their word is good enough
They would have stopped you there and then, the range is good enough that they would have a reading before you were aware they were there
If they wanted to stop you they had plenty of time, you got away with it
I do hope so. I was sat at traffic lights and could see them ready. I was the first car in the fast lane. I drove past them sensibly so about 34 in a
40. Then just as i went past had sudden doubt that the road maybe 30! I looked for signs though the rest of the road and spotted none.
I dont think the other fella was watching the cars, certainly not concentrating enough to act as a witness in court.
The road is a main rat run for London bound traffic. Give it 5mins and they will have someone doing 50.
adithorp - 25/10/12 at 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by bi22le
Then just as i went past had sudden doubt that the road maybe 30! I looked for signs though the rest of the road and spotted none.
If there were no repeater signs of the lmit and there were lamp posts, then it's 30mph. No lamp posts or repeater signs, it's national
speed limit. One of the usefull things learn't on a speed awareness course 
If it was a hand held i think they (or other officers stationed further down the road) have to stop you.
loggyboy - 25/10/12 at 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by snapper
No they don't have cameras
They do, not all mobile speed cameras are 'in' Vans or cars. They have portable versions. As mentioned above, I have a great shot of my car
that they sent me with an acompanying NIP.
PSpirine - 25/10/12 at 11:11 AM
Slightly related - out of curiosity, when you get a camera speeding (or congestion charge) ticket, do they automatically send you a photo of your car?
If not, is there any downside to requesting one?
bi22le - 25/10/12 at 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by loggyboy
quote:
Originally posted by snapper
No they don't have cameras
They do, not all mobile speed cameras are 'in' Vans or cars. They have portable versions. As mentioned above, I have a great shot of my car
that they sent me with an acompanying NIP.
Boooooooooooo
Howlor - 25/10/12 at 11:19 AM
Yup I also have a nice photo of me from a small detector not a van!
adithorp - 25/10/12 at 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Howlor
Yup I also have a nice photo of me from a small detector not a van!
Were these from handheld guns or the tripod mounted ones like often seen used on motorway bridges?
mark chandler - 25/10/12 at 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by snapper
No they don't have cameras
As stated above their word is good enough
They would have stopped you there and then, the range is good enough that they would have a reading before you were aware they were there
If they wanted to stop you they had plenty of time, you got away with it
Not true, I have been caught twice in the last two years, first time I only knew about it when the fine came through in the post, second time 3 months
ago and I thought I saw something in the lay by, then 2 weeks later the letter arrived.
I was not even going much over the limit
if you are lucky you will get a speed awareness course, that did that in lieu of t he first one.
The do not bother stopping you these days, "ker...Ching" money in the bank.
mark chandler - 25/10/12 at 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by mark chandler
quote:
Originally posted by snapper
No they don't have cameras
As stated above their word is good enough
They would have stopped you there and then, the range is good enough that they would have a reading before you were aware they were there
If they wanted to stop you they had plenty of time, you got away with it
Not true, I have been caught twice in the last two years, first time I only knew about it when the fine came through in the post, second time 3 months
ago and I thought I saw something in the lay by, then 2 weeks later the letter arrived.
I was not even going much over the limit
if you are lucky you will get a speed awareness course, did that in lieu of the first one.
The do not bother stopping you these days, "ker...Ching" money in the bank.
UncleFista - 25/10/12 at 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by PSpirine
Slightly related - out of curiosity, when you get a camera speeding (or congestion charge) ticket, do they automatically send you a photo of your car?
If not, is there any downside to requesting one?
I don't know if you get a photo automatically for those offences, but I know for a fact you do with council run bus-lane cameras.. 
Agriv8 - 25/10/12 at 03:40 PM
Unc,
Market Street ? just outside the Ginger Goose ? turning Left keeping City hall on your Right ??
ATB agriv8
UncleFista - 25/10/12 at 03:42 PM
That's the one, they changed it all overnight, what used to be buses only became public, what was public became buses only.
My own fault really, but was caught twice in 24 hours
plentywahalla - 25/10/12 at 05:31 PM
The usual rule of thumb most police forces use is an allowance of 10% plus 2 mph. So they are unlikely to nick you for doing 34 in a 30 limit.
Its not guaranteed though, you could still be unlucky.
morcus - 25/10/12 at 05:48 PM
I don't know if it's still the case but my dad got done by one in the mid 90's and they said if he wanted to see the photo he had to
take it to court where the punishment is alot higher.
Ninehigh - 25/10/12 at 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by Howlor
Yup I also have a nice photo of me from a small detector not a van!
So did I a few years ago, I think it depends what gun they have
stevebubs - 25/10/12 at 08:36 PM
so....which forces send out a photo with the NIP for speeding, and which don't?
loggyboy - 25/10/12 at 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by stevebubs
so....which forces send out a photo with the NIP for speeding, and which don't?
No idea, but if they dont all you have to do is ask for them.
Confused but excited. - 25/10/12 at 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by plentywahalla
The usual rule of thumb most police forces use is an allowance of 10% plus 2 mph. So they are unlikely to nick you for doing 34 in a 30 limit.
Its not guaranteed though, you could still be unlucky.
I think you will find that that rule of thumb does not apply in a 30 limit area. It is to allow for speedo inaccuracies and speedo calibration should
be accurate at 30mph.
Unc, couldn't you have pleaded that is was a HyaBUSa?
loggyboy - 25/10/12 at 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Confused but excited.
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Originally posted by plentywahalla
The usual rule of thumb most police forces use is an allowance of 10% plus 2 mph. So they are unlikely to nick you for doing 34 in a 30 limit.
Its not guaranteed though, you could still be unlucky.
I think you will find that that rule of thumb does not apply in a 30 limit area. It is to allow for speedo inaccuracies and speedo calibration should
be accurate at 30mph.
Unc, couldn't you have pleaded that is was a HyaBUSa?
Its not a rule of thumb, its the ACPO 'guidelines' for prosecution. If you do 1mph over the speed limit, in any limit you could get done for
it, its just very unlikely, as most of the time the guidelines will be adhered to. This is to ensure several things, IF it were to go to court, a
conviction is more likely to sticks. I also gives a better 'impression' of the police, that they arent all out to catch the easy pray
speeder etc. and most importantly, a v.small percentage over limit isnt that dangerous anyway, even the police know that.
Confused but excited. - 25/10/12 at 10:47 PM
All the traffic cops that I have spoken to, here and in England have said the same thing. The 10% + does not apply in a 30 limit. What they do is; up
to 32mph in a 30 limit, is up to the officer's discretion. 33mph or above in a 30 limit is a mandatory prosecution.
Don't shoot the messenger.
mangogrooveworkshop - 26/10/12 at 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by UncleFista
quote:
Originally posted by PSpirine
Slightly related - out of curiosity, when you get a camera speeding (or congestion charge) ticket, do they automatically send you a photo of your car?
If not, is there any downside to requesting one?
I don't know if you get a photo automatically for those offences, but I know for a fact you do with council run bus-lane cameras..
Love the picture was it expensive
loggyboy - 26/10/12 at 08:07 AM
From the CPS website:
Speed Enforcement
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has issued speed enforcement policy guidance, which suggests that enforcement will normally occur when
a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin. This is normally 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2 mph. It also sets guidelines for
when it would not be appropriate to issue a fixed penalty notice but to issue a summons instead (see below). Note that these are guidelines and that a
police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately.
Speed limit: 20 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 24 mph
Summons: 35 mph
Speed limit: 30 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 35 mph
Summons: 50 mph
Speed limit: 40 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 46 mph
Summons: 66 mph
Speed limit: 50 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 57 mph
Summons: 76 mph
Speed limit: 60 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 68 mph
Summons: 86 mph
Speed limit: 70 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 79 mph
Summons: 96 mph
Again these are guidelines, as clearly stated in the caveat at the beginning.
OnN a side note ive successfully argued my way out of a fixed camera that claimed to catch me at 37, but when I measured the distance the two photos
showed me at with a 0.7 interval that I was infact traveling at 34, it was dropped, without going to court.
[Edited on 26-10-12 by loggyboy]