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davidimurray

posted on 20/10/15 at 05:36 PM Reply With Quote
Save Our Steel Industry

Many of you will have seen the recent news regarding the closure of SSI, Caparo and Job Losses at Tata. The current threat to our industry is very serious and threatens the existence and future of steelmaking in the UK. While imports from China are a major threat, in the UK we pay energy prices that are double that of mainland Europe. The USA has put anti-dumping measures in place within 3 weeks, which has closed off the US steelmarket, while in the EU it is anticipated that a dumping review will take at least 12 months. The industry may not last that long.

The industry is not looking for handouts, simply a fair deal, fair energy prices and real selling prices - not the Chinese subsidised prices that are below the manufacturing cost and currently flooding the UK.

Please take a moment to sign the petition below, it is time for the government to either stand up and support the foundation manufacturing industries, or turn the UK into a giant service centre.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108944





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posted on 20/10/15 at 05:48 PM Reply With Quote
Signed, you have my deep understanding I am an ex British Coal employee






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theconrodkid

posted on 20/10/15 at 05:48 PM Reply With Quote
Done,what i dont understand is,why the prices of steel here to people like me are still high while quality is rock bottom :-(.





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posted on 20/10/15 at 06:00 PM Reply With Quote
Done - if we lose the steel industry we'll have more of you Northerners coming down here looking for work!





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leon51274

posted on 20/10/15 at 06:18 PM Reply With Quote
Signed.

Russ, at least we'll be able to come down and show you how to drink proper beer and not that tops shandy stuff!

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joneh

posted on 20/10/15 at 06:27 PM Reply With Quote
Done.
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SPYDER

posted on 20/10/15 at 06:38 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by russbost
Done - if we lose the steel industry we'll have more of you Northerners coming down here looking for work!


An' I'll be bringin' my pigeons wi' me an'all.

An' mi whippets!

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madteg

posted on 20/10/15 at 06:41 PM Reply With Quote
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rash12

posted on 20/10/15 at 06:53 PM Reply With Quote
done i work on tata at scunthorpe
thanks everyone who has signed

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daviep

posted on 20/10/15 at 06:57 PM Reply With Quote
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posted on 20/10/15 at 07:03 PM Reply With Quote
Done!





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trextr7monkey

posted on 20/10/15 at 07:27 PM Reply With Quote
Signed and shared - still breaks my heart when I visit the mining village which was thriving when I grew up. Post Thatcher it's a shambles, we need heavy industry even if it is dirty and dangerous!





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posted on 20/10/15 at 08:03 PM Reply With Quote
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JoelP

posted on 20/10/15 at 08:13 PM Reply With Quote
Signed. I'd be very interested to hear people's ideas on what should be done? Subsidise and leave private? Nationalise? Import tariffs on steel?

Sadly we have a rightwing government blinded by ideology. They will do nothing, because they don't believe in state intervention.





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craig5

posted on 20/10/15 at 08:51 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by big-vee-twin
Signed, you have my deep understanding I am an ex British Coal employee



you llanwern or port talbot?

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craig5

posted on 20/10/15 at 08:52 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by davidimurray
Many of you will have seen the recent news regarding the closure of SSI, Caparo and Job Losses at Tata. The current threat to our industry is very serious and threatens the existence and future of steelmaking in the UK. While imports from China are a major threat, in the UK we pay energy prices that are double that of mainland Europe. The USA has put anti-dumping measures in place within 3 weeks, which has closed off the US steelmarket, while in the EU it is anticipated that a dumping review will take at least 12 months. The industry may not last that long.

The industry is not looking for handouts, simply a fair deal, fair energy prices and real selling prices - not the Chinese subsidised prices that are below the manufacturing cost and currently flooding the UK.

Please take a moment to sign the petition below, it is time for the government to either stand up and support the foundation manufacturing industries, or turn the UK into a giant service centre.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108944


Sorry wrong quote lol same as b4 llanwern or port talbot?

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davidimurray

posted on 20/10/15 at 08:57 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks everybody for the support. I'm a Port Talbot steelworker, but did spend some time last year at Scunthorpe on Queen Anne. All our thoughts are with everyone across, Redcar, Scunthorpe, Dalzell etc - we are all one big family and we all share the pain.

Despite being a steelworker myself, I think everybody knows that the glory days of big volume steel manufacture in the UK is gone and will never come back as long as China etc keep pumping general purpose steel out with low wages etc.

Where the UK steel industry excels is in top quality cutting edge steel products. Steels that are stronger, lighter, more formable, better surface finish etc. For example car manufacturers want steels that are formable, galvanized and with a perfect surface finish that required no prep before painting. Coated steels with a 25year guarantee. New steel grades for undersea pipework, wind turbines, special corrosion resistant steel for railway electrification gantries and grain orientated steel for transformers etc.

But, it is difficult to achieve the above when we are in a common market but our own government but taxes and levies on us that no other EU country has to meet. Steelmaking is an energy intensive industry and the by-product of manufacture is CO and CO2 - that is the basic chemistry and currently there is no other viable manufacturing route anywhere in the world. By all means I could understand the government pushing for green technology if it existed, but as it stands now - all we are doing is pushing the industry off the island to other countries where pollution is of no concern - so much for one big planet!

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posted on 20/10/15 at 09:39 PM Reply With Quote
Done and just spent an hour signing all the other petitions too lol!





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plentywahalla

posted on 20/10/15 at 10:18 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Signed. I'd be very interested to hear people's ideas on what should be done? Subsidise and leave private? Nationalise? Import tariffs on steel?

Sadly we have a rightwing government blinded by ideology. They will do nothing, because they don't believe in state intervention.


Blame the old left wing goverments instead. They were the ones who started us down this path of useless renewables with massive expensive subsidies that have made our energy cost so prohibitively expensive.

They are also the ones who signed up to EU treaties which make your 'state intervention' illegal under European rules. We are not allowed to give government subsidies or impose import tariffs. These are things that can only be done on a European level and we will always be outvoted by smaller european nations who don't have domestic steel industries and love the cheap imports.





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posted on 20/10/15 at 11:15 PM Reply With Quote
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JoelP

posted on 21/10/15 at 06:15 AM Reply With Quote
We haven't been left of centre for 30 years! Blair was more centrist than others but still a neoliberal thatcherite. Ie deregulated banks, privatisations, PFI nonsense.

The ideology of left or right has no bearing on the reality of climate change, though rightwingers seem more likely to be sceptics. Here's a left wing solution - proper state investment in infrastructure such as tidal schemes.

George Osborne is quite happy to nationalise the energy sector - sadly, he'd rather it be owned by the French and Chinese governments! If state owned EDF can build nuclear plants, why can't we? Ideology, that's why.


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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Signed. I'd be very interested to hear people's ideas on what should be done? Subsidise and leave private? Nationalise? Import tariffs on steel?

Sadly we have a rightwing government blinded by ideology. They will do nothing, because they don't believe in state intervention.


Blame the old left wing goverments instead. They were the ones who started us down this path of useless renewables with massive expensive subsidies that have made our energy cost so prohibitively expensive.

They are also the ones who signed up to EU treaties which make your 'state intervention' illegal under European rules. We are not allowed to give government subsidies or impose import tariffs. These are things that can only be done on a European level and we will always be outvoted by smaller european nations who don't have domestic steel industries and love the cheap imports.






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Theshed

posted on 21/10/15 at 06:17 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by plentywahalla
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Signed. I'd be very interested to hear people's ideas on what should be done? Subsidise and leave private? Nationalise? Import tariffs on steel?

Sadly we have a rightwing government blinded by ideology. They will do nothing, because they don't believe in state intervention.


Blame the old left wing goverments instead. They were the ones who started us down this path of useless renewables with massive expensive subsidies that have made our energy cost so prohibitively expensive.

They are also the ones who signed up to EU treaties which make your 'state intervention' illegal under European rules. We are not allowed to give government subsidies or impose import tariffs. These are things that can only be done on a European level and we will always be outvoted by smaller european nations who don't have domestic steel industries and love the cheap imports.


First time I have heard Ted Heath described as the leader of a left wing government!

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maccmike

posted on 21/10/15 at 06:46 AM Reply With Quote
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posted on 21/10/15 at 07:42 AM Reply With Quote
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Signed, you have my deep understanding I am an ex British Coal employee



Me too. Signed.

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posted on 21/10/15 at 07:47 AM Reply With Quote
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