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JamesyCottony - 29/10/15 at 11:25 AM

There are 2 pipes coming off the side of the carb which at the moment are not attached to anything, I believe they are breather/overflow pipes, so do they need to be atached to anything or should I run them out of the engine bay?

Cheers

[Edited on 29/10/15 by JamesyCottony]


jacko - 29/10/15 at 11:49 AM

May help if you say wat engine and carb you have
Jacko


JamesyCottony - 29/10/15 at 11:50 AM

But its raining ouside ............Fine....


JamesyCottony - 29/10/15 at 11:58 AM

The two pipes shown in the middle here:




number 2&3 on this page:



http://www.minimania.com/SU_CARBS___Connection__HIF_type


jacko - 29/10/15 at 12:16 PM

twin SU carbs/1
twin SU carbs/1



http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?45618-HIF44-Carb-Questons-need-some-information

[Edited on 29/10/15 by jacko]


JamesyCottony - 29/10/15 at 12:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jacko
twin SU carbs/1
twin SU carbs/1



http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?45618-HIF44-Carb-Questons-need-some-information

[Edited on 29/10/15 by jacko]


So plug the one on the right and run the one on the left under the car?


r1_pete - 29/10/15 at 12:58 PM

This might help:

hif44
hif44


DIY Si - 30/10/15 at 07:03 PM

Basically, they're fine as they are.


jacko - 31/10/15 at 11:46 AM

you need a pipe of the float vent going down under the car if fuel comes out this pipe you don't want it spraying on the exhaust / manifold


JamesyCottony - 1/4/16 at 09:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jacko
you need a pipe of the float vent going down under the car if fuel comes out this pipe you don't want it spraying on the exhaust / manifold


Which one is the float vent pipe?


jacko - 1/4/16 at 02:40 PM

hif44
hif44


Number 7 on this picture


gremlin1234 - 1/4/16 at 03:33 PM

you also appear to have a vacuum advance take off, 'A' in pic below. (also 9, not shown on the other pics)

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JamesyCottony - 1/4/16 at 06:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
you also appear to have a vacuum advance take off, 'A' in pic below. (also 9, not shown on the other pics)

Description
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Do I have to do anything with this?


02GF74 - 1/4/16 at 06:08 PM

SU carbs as im sure you know.

Large diameter is breather and connects to engine .

Smaller is float chamber vent, if the needle valve fails to close, as can happen if left standing for a while, petrol will wee out of it. Connect pipe to it and route it so that the outlet is away from any heat or electrical sources to avoid fire. THIS IS V IMPORTANT for safety reasons.

As someone pointed out, there is vacuuuuuuuuum take off to distributor advance. Connect it or if distributor does not have vacuuuum advance, block it off.


JamesyCottony - 1/4/16 at 06:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
SU carbs as im sure you know.

Large diameter is breather and connects to engine .

Smaller is float chamber vent, if the needle valve fails to close, as can happen if left standing for a while, petrol will wee out of it. Connect pipe to it and route it so that the outlet is away from any heat or electrical sources to avoid fire. THIS IS V IMPORTANT for safety reasons.

As someone pointed out, there is vacuuuuuuuuum take off to distributor advance. Connect it or if distributor does not have vacuuuum advance, block it off.


Thanks for the replies everyone .

With the breather would it connect to a small little flying saucer shape thing by the alternator?

With the distributor advance vacuum pipe should there be a small pipe in the distributer that this would connect to?

Thanks again


jacko - 1/4/16 at 07:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JamesyCottony
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
SU carbs as im sure you know.

Large diameter is breather and connects to engine .

Smaller is float chamber vent, if the needle valve fails to close, as can happen if left standing for a while, petrol will wee out of it. Connect pipe to it and route it so that the outlet is away from any heat or electrical sources to avoid fire. THIS IS V IMPORTANT for safety reasons.

As someone pointed out, there is vacuuuuuuuuum take off to distributor advance. Connect it or if distributor does not have vacuuuum advance, block it off.


Thanks for the replies everyone .

With the breather would it connect to a small little flying saucer shape thing by the alternator?

With the distributor advance vacuum pipe should there be a small pipe in the distributer that this would connect to?

Thanks again

On some cars the dizzy has a small pipe for the vacuum if you don't have this on your dizzy just block the one on the carb off
the breather pipe would normally go to the air filter box but in your case feed it under the car if you are going for a iva it will have to go to the air filter box
jacko

[Edited on 1/4/16 by jacko]


02GF74 - 1/4/16 at 09:33 PM

Breather is to burn off blow-by gas , usually it connects to the top part of the engine e.g. rocker cover. Combustion gas gets past rings and pressurises crankcase, on ohv engine it get into top via holes for push rods.

Good explanation why you want to do this is here.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/what-is-blow-by/


JamesyCottony - 2/4/16 at 06:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jacko
quote:
Originally posted by JamesyCottony
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
SU carbs as im sure you know.

Large diameter is breather and connects to engine .

Smaller is float chamber vent, if the needle valve fails to close, as can happen if left standing for a while, petrol will wee out of it. Connect pipe to it and route it so that the outlet is away from any heat or electrical sources to avoid fire. THIS IS V IMPORTANT for safety reasons.

As someone pointed out, there is vacuuuuuuuuum take off to distributor advance. Connect it or if distributor does not have vacuuuum advance, block it off.


Thanks for the replies everyone .

With the breather would it connect to a small little flying saucer shape thing by the alternator?

With the distributor advance vacuum pipe should there be a small pipe in the distributer that this would connect to?

Thanks again

On some cars the dizzy has a small pipe for the vacuum if you don't have this on your dizzy just block the one on the carb off
the breather pipe would normally go to the air filter box but in your case feed it under the car if you are going for a iva it will have to go to the air filter box
jacko

[Edited on 1/4/16 by jacko]


I don't have an air filter box


JamesyCottony - 2/4/16 at 07:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
Breather is to burn off blow-by gas , usually it connects to the top part of the engine e.g. rocker cover. Combustion gas gets past rings and pressurises crankcase, on ohv engine it get into top via holes for push rods.

Good explanation why you want to do this is here.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/what-is-blow-by/


I can't find and pipes on the rocker cover??


02GF74 - 2/4/16 at 07:18 AM

Dont think you said what engine you have but i deduce a series. It may have crankcase breather, see here.

http://appraisalnewsonline.typepad.com/our_mini/2012/12/classic-mini-engine-bay-crankcase-breather.html

Re distributor vacuum advance connector
See here.
http://www.pertronix.com/prod/new/details.aspx?id=122
Disc on left hand side is it, the small pipe is connected to the carb. You need special hose, it is firm plastic so does not collapse under vacuum and has two rubber connectors at each end.

[Edited on 2/4/16 by 02GF74]


JamesyCottony - 2/4/16 at 07:22 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
Dont think you said what engine you have but i deduce a series. It may have crankcase breather, see here.

http://appraisalnewsonline.typepad.com/our_mini/2012/12/classic-mini-engine-bay-crankcase-breather.html

Re distributor vacuum advance connector
See here.
http://www.pertronix.com/prod/new/details.aspx?id=122
Disc on left hand side is it, the small pipe is connected to the carb. You need special hose, it is firm plastic so does not collapse under vacuum and has two rubber connectors at each end.

[Edited on 2/4/16 by 02GF74]


This is so much help thankyou!!

With the distributer pipe can I just use non collapsible rubber?


JamesyCottony - 2/4/16 at 07:26 AM

Would this be the crankcase breather?

IMAGE


gremlin1234 - 2/4/16 at 10:26 AM

quote:
With the distributer pipe can I just use non collapsible rubber?
this should fit, from minispares. should be easily available elsewhere too

http://minispares.com/product/Classic/Engine/37H4229M.aspx

[Edited on 2/4/16 by gremlin1234]


JamesyCottony - 2/4/16 at 10:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
quote:
With the distributer pipe can I just use non collapsible rubber?
this should fit, from minispares. should be easily available elsewhere too

http://minispares.com/product/Classic/Engine/37H4229M.aspx

[Edited on 2/4/16 by gremlin1234]


Thankyou for that


02GF74 - 2/4/16 at 12:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JamesyCottony
Would this be the crankcase breather?

IMAGE


You need someone who knoes bout a series engines minis etc to answer that.

It is a breather but judging how clean it is, it could be new or inlet. For example on rover v8, there is inlet to crank case, air drawn in and two outlets on both rocker covers.

If what you show is outlet, it soon will be clogged and dripping with oil. You would be better off connecting hose and feed into oil catch tank, simple and cheap is old beer can. Search for oil catch tank here to see solutions.


JamesyCottony - 4/4/16 at 03:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by JamesyCottony
Would this be the crankcase breather?

IMAGE


You need someone who knoes bout a series engines minis etc to answer that.

It is a breather but judging how clean it is, it could be new or inlet. For example on rover v8, there is inlet to crank case, air drawn in and two outlets on both rocker covers.

If what you show is outlet, it soon will be clogged and dripping with oil. You would be better off connecting hose and feed into oil catch tank, simple and cheap is old beer can. Search for oil catch tank here to see solutions.




So can I just leave the breather on the carb open?


sprintB+ - 4/4/16 at 03:52 PM

the large pipe goes direct into the inlet behind the butterfly, you'll get a very lean mixture if you dont connect it or blank it off. I have both of mine connected to the rocker box take off via a fume/ flame trap, never caused me any trouble apart from routine cleaning of trap. My friend races a Sprint he has a short piece of tube and a bolt to block it off, we tried to link the two together but it upset the balance of the carbs, so we ditched that brain wave !


JamesyCottony - 6/4/16 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by sprintB+
the large pipe goes direct into the inlet behind the butterfly, you'll get a very lean mixture if you dont connect it or blank it off. I have both of mine connected to the rocker box take off via a fume/ flame trap, never caused me any trouble apart from routine cleaning of trap. My friend races a Sprint he has a short piece of tube and a bolt to block it off, we tried to link the two together but it upset the balance of the carbs, so we ditched that brain wave !


Thanks for this info, I have looked for another pipe that the large pipe could connect to and I couldn't find anything!! (unless im being stupid ).

There is a cylinder with a filter on top (that i uploaded a photo of earlier) that looks like it may be a crankcase breather??

thanks for the help


JamesyCottony - 7/4/16 at 04:17 PM

For the pipe that connects the crankcase breather to the carb does it need to have a really high temperature resistance, or can I use radiator hose?