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Engine stand - worth investing?
jps - 29/4/16 at 11:21 AM

I see Machine Mart have a bit of a deal on this weekend - my next job is really servicing my Pinto (hopefully just that) - then doing the same to the gearbox.

I had intended to do this separate to the chassis, thinking it'd be easier - but is it worth me spending £85 on one? Or should I just drop the engine and box into the car and work on them from there (no panels on the chassis yet - although that's the other job I want to do next too!)?


v8kid - 29/4/16 at 11:25 AM

Yup I bought one - worth every penny. Because its easier to access at working height you can do a better job

Cheers!


nick205 - 29/4/16 at 11:54 AM

I rebuilt my Pinto on a B&D Workmate, which was already to hand. As above it was then at the right height and easier to work on. As to an engine stand, the issue for me would the space to store something that "should" get very little use.


40inches - 29/4/16 at 11:55 AM

They make life so much easier, doing jobs like fitting sumps are a doddle with the engine upside down
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I used the cheapest Clark stand ,was more than man enough for the Jaguar V6.
I was contemplating selling it for £35, carriage might be expensive though


Slimy38 - 29/4/16 at 12:17 PM

Is this of any use to you?

http://www.sgs-engineering.com/garage-equipment/engine-stands/es1000-450kg-engine-stand

Possibly a bit easier to justify if it's half the price...


DJT - 29/4/16 at 12:24 PM

Found mine very useful. Especailly when working on the bottom end and when you want to keep things clean.

Normally around £50 though.


myke pocock - 29/4/16 at 12:45 PM

They all come apart and are no problem storing so that shouldnt be an issue.


big_wasa - 29/4/16 at 12:50 PM

I like engines so I have two. There is usually somthing on them


loggyboy - 29/4/16 at 01:25 PM

I wouldnt spend £85 on one - you can get them in Machine mart for about £50-60 and else where for even less.


sdh2903 - 29/4/16 at 02:16 PM

Yes they are well worth having. I got one for 40 quid here:

http://www.sgs-engineering.com/es1000-450kg-engine-stand

What deals are at machinemart? Am still waiting for a vat free code to order a new tool box


steve m - 29/4/16 at 03:15 PM

I bought the Machine mart cheapy one, was about £45, it makes any engine work very easy,
it has 3 bolts, that when undone, the whole thing is easy to store,

ive used mine for gearbox work as well.

steve


pewe - 29/4/16 at 04:24 PM

A word of warning - if you do buy one ensure you know where the balance point is when releasing/turning it for the first time.
The short bar supplied in no way is sufficient to counteract an out of balance engine once it starts to go - ask me how I know!
Practically took my helpers arm off....
No doubt others will offer suggestions to make sure this doesn't happen....
Cheers, Pewe


rusty nuts - 29/4/16 at 04:49 PM

if you get the three wheeled type cut a piece of ply so that it lays on the three legs so that you can place an oil drain bowl underneath when stripping a used engine. Also I found the wheels to be poor , a passing supermarket trolley donated a set of wheels but a pair of locking wheels would be better as it tends to move against any torque applied to the engine.


jps - 29/4/16 at 07:26 PM

Cheers guys, the SGS one looks a better price, just trying to bump it up to the free delivery point now!


DJT - 29/4/16 at 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by pewe
A word of warning - if you do buy one ensure you know where the balance point is when releasing/turning it for the first time.
The short bar supplied in no way is sufficient to counteract an out of balance engine once it starts to go - ask me how I know!
Practically took my helpers arm off....
No doubt others will offer suggestions to make sure this doesn't happen....
Cheers, Pewe


I suffered this. Engine spun round, lucky didn't trash the throttle bodies, but clean sheared one of the manifold studs off before coming to rest. Eeeeek!


Benzine - 29/4/16 at 09:41 PM

I spent £5 on making one - steel and castors from the scrapyard. Nice easy quick project to do and copes with a straight six diesel


Adamirish - 29/4/16 at 11:03 PM

Most definitely. When I rebuilt the Xflow I bought one off eBay. Was about £45 posted iirc. The beauty is, the front leg folds up when not in use so doesn't actually take up much space at all. It has braked wheels and is Very strong too.

The only downside of an engine stand is you can't really do anything on the flywheel end of the engine. Changing crank seals etc it will need to go on a bench.

As mentioned above though, be wary when spinning the engine over on the stand, years ago, I very nearly took my finger off. The engine span over and jammed my finger between the bar and the upright. My advice would be spin it over holding the engine rather than the crappy little bar.


steve m - 30/4/16 at 07:26 AM

I mounted my xflow, on the four engine mount holes on the side to build the engine, crank and flywheel
then turned it round to mount it on the gearbox mounts once the flywheels assembly was finished

steve


sprintB+ - 30/4/16 at 08:24 AM

I haven't got one, I build everything on the floor, I do tend to drop things, not far to fall that way. But if I had one I'd wonder why I never had one years back. Same with engine hoist, I struggle and struggle until its done, why? I have no idea. At 65 I feel its to late to spend the money on things I never used in the past, or is that just being tight? Plus all that humping and struggling keeps me fit, better then aerobics in lycra.


Phil_1471 - 30/4/16 at 08:39 AM

Just balance it on stuff... We use bits of wood, axle stands etc it's cheaper!


sdh2903 - 30/4/16 at 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by Phil_1471
Just balance it on stuff... We use bits of wood, axle stands etc it's cheaper


Until it gets knocked over and becomes much more expensive!!


40inches - 30/4/16 at 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by sprintB+
or is that just being tight?


Correct


David Jenkins - 30/4/16 at 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Adamirish
As mentioned above though, be wary when spinning the engine over on the stand, years ago, I very nearly took my finger off. The engine span over and jammed my finger between the bar and the upright. My advice would be spin it over holding the engine rather than the crappy little bar.


I have a 4ft length of steel tube that fits over the handle - I can take the weight on that, pull out the pin, then ease the engine into the position I want.


jps - 5/9/16 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Benzine
I spent £5 on making one - steel and castors from the scrapyard. Nice easy quick project to do and copes with a straight six diesel




Just got my hands on a small pile of scrap box section - so am going to try knocking one up myself. Any hints/tips on the bit that you actually attach the engine to? Google images shows me a lot of them have a plate of 6(?)mm or similar with slotted holes in - but i'm wondering how the whole 'swivel' bit works...?


loggyboy - 5/9/16 at 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by jps
Just got my hands on a small pile of scrap box section - so am going to try knocking one up myself. Any hints/tips on the bit that you actually attach the engine to? Google images shows me a lot of them have a plate of 6(?)mm or similar with slotted holes in - but i'm wondering how the whole 'swivel' bit works...?


Swivel is a large dia (circa 80mm?) tube within a tube. outer tube mounted to frame, inner tube mounted to the bracket/plate with a handle on once side.
Then you have holes drilled through both tubes (usually at 90degrees) to allow you to fix at certain rotation points.


Schrodinger - 5/9/16 at 10:23 PM

One thing using an engine stand I was told by an engine tuner was that you should not turn the engine upside down to remove the sump as all of the crud will drain down into the oilways and may cause a lot of damage so take the sump off with the engine up the right way.


jps - 6/9/16 at 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by loggyboy
Swivel is a large dia (circa 80mm?) tube within a tube. outer tube mounted to frame, inner tube mounted to the bracket/plate with a handle on once side.
Then you have holes drilled through both tubes (usually at 90degrees) to allow you to fix at certain rotation points.


Cheers - never seen one in the flesh and had wondered if they were 'any angle' - if it's just at 90deg turns I can see it's much easier to rig that up. Just need to find somewhere local I can womble the appropriate bits of round tube from now!


loggyboy - 6/9/16 at 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by jps
Cheers - never seen one in the flesh and had wondered if they were 'any angle' - if it's just at 90deg turns I can see it's much easier to rig that up. Just need to find somewhere local I can womble the appropriate bits of round tube from now!


No they spin 360 degrees, the one I have just has holes drilled allowing it to be held at 90degree intervals. I suspect others have more intervals, some ive seen even have a mechanism to turn and hold them.


coyoteboy - 6/9/16 at 12:05 PM

Got mine for 45 from machine mart a while back, holds my V8 no problem. The only problem I ever have with engine stands is the ability to fit the clutch is gone unless you invest in spacers and some very long threaded rod.

The improvement over just balancing it on stuff and working on it in the car is night and day - so much nicer to do, you can work on it sat on a seat with a cuppa and good lighting, knowing it won't topple and you're not damaging studs/mounting faces.


coyoteboy - 6/9/16 at 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by Schrodinger
One thing using an engine stand I was told by an engine tuner was that you should not turn the engine upside down to remove the sump as all of the crud will drain down into the oilways and may cause a lot of damage so take the sump off with the engine up the right way.


Agreed. Though that depends what you're doing with it - if you're stripping and dipping the whole engine it won't really matter much!


jps - 23/1/18 at 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Benzine
I spent £5 on making one


In the end - I have done the same! :-D Pretty pleased with myself (although that may be famous last words as I have not yet mounted an engine on it). However I have hung off the mounting arms myself and I weigh about 85-90kg so I reckon it'll be OK with the Pinto on it. Hoping to get it bolted up this weekend.

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gaz_gaz - 23/1/18 at 11:35 AM

I bought 1 of these for £35 delivered.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121441172222

took a fully dressed S2000 engine without any drama. I wheeled it around in and out the garage to clean the engine.

Was also easy to spin the engine over on my own.


Chubz - 23/1/18 at 07:39 PM

definitely worth investing in one, saves having to keep tipping the engine about and scratching the sump about when its on the floor
easier to build an engine on a stand than on the floor. lol


nick205 - 24/1/18 at 09:31 AM

I re-assembled my Pinto on a B&D Workmate. My Dad's also re-assembled E-Type straight 6s and a Chevy V8 on it too. It was already there (cheap) and can be used for other jobs before/after the engine work (versatile). I suspect a lot of people buy and engine stand use it once then leave it in the corner of maybe sell it on.


WallerZero - 24/1/18 at 11:04 AM

I bought one for 35 quid, used it for my needs then sold it on once finished as I needed space back.

Now I need one again so probably buy a new one and then sell again. Think I sold it for £25 but the guy came with £30 and didn't bother waiting for his £5 change lol. Can't hire one for 9 months for a fiver

Cheapest option is buy a 2nd hand one and sell it on. Most likely break even on it. Or find a mate to loan you one


Charlie_Zetec - 24/1/18 at 11:44 AM

Slightly on/off topic, but I've got a Clarke engine stand that I no longer have need of (if anyone is still looking for one) - it's one of these but minus the little storage tray on the side. I'd like £45 for it, collected.


mcerd1 - 24/1/18 at 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by nick205
I re-assembled my Pinto on a B&D Workmate. My Dad's also re-assembled E-Type straight 6s and a Chevy V8 on it too. It was already there (cheap) and can be used for other jobs before/after the engine work (versatile). I suspect a lot of people buy and engine stand use it once then leave it in the corner of maybe sell it on.
re-built + painted short block
re-built + painted short block






I'd agree stands are not a necessity, but they do make life easier

pinto block after
pinto block after
pinto block after 2
pinto block after 2


only you can decide if that is worth ~£40+
they are also good for holding gearboxes too....

[Edited on 24/1/2018 by mcerd1]


steve m - 24/1/18 at 06:39 PM

Well, I am in the camp, of yes buy one, and use it!

I spent about 35 years with out using a stand, and got on with lugging engines, and gearboxs about on my own, lifting them
onto workmates or benches etc, all fine when there in bits, but once all together nigh on impossible to move on your own

Ive rebuilt two engines, and a couple of gearboxs using mine now, ive lent mine out, as well

For the sake of £45, they are worth the expense and something I wish I had bought years ago !!

steve