What is this guy thinking?
ebay linky
saw that earlier & asked whats it called on v5
his reply
"its just Locost sports still 1300cc colour red. hope this helps"
Technically legal if the chassis were identical? Difficult to prove though, as the original was probably homemade too.
I made that chassis
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Originally posted by JoelP
Technically legal if the chassis were identical? Difficult to prove though, as the original was probably homemade too.
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Originally posted by JoelP
Technically legal if the chassis were identical? Difficult to prove though, as the original was probably homemade too.
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Originally posted by Slimy38
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Originally posted by JoelP
Technically legal if the chassis were identical? Difficult to prove though, as the original was probably homemade too.
I didn't think it was legal to replace the chassis, even with an identical one? As you say it's difficult to prove, but putting one chassis number on another chassis is 'ringing', regardless of what kind of chassis.
You can replace chassis with a like for like. not sure how it stands with a locost as there isnt a standard chassis manufacturer
You can replace a subframe (also called a chassis) on cars such as a Morgan , TVR or Triumph etc but I thought a full Chassis that actually makes up the bulk of the body would need the DVLA notifying?
Land Rovers and rally cars are examples of vehicles that get completely rebuilt with new components. I don't believe it's illegal.
Plenty of 2CVs have had a replacement chassis fitted. Is that illegal?
Gov link
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
For cars or light vans:
suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
As this eBay car has no engine, gearbox, new chassis and suspension and different front axel, I'd say not legal...
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Originally posted by joneh
Gov link
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
For cars or light vans:
suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
As this eBay car has no engine, gearbox, new chassis and suspension and different front axel, I'd say not legal...
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Originally posted by Nickp
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Originally posted by joneh
Gov link
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
For cars or light vans:
suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
As this eBay car has no engine, gearbox, new chassis and suspension and different front axel, I'd say not legal...
So you'd be queueing up for an IVA after burning your Locost V5? I know I wouldn't
I would agree that he's on thin ice, changing so much so fast. Had he finished the rebuild he could've swapped the other components at will. Also selling it halfway through is just asking for trouble.
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Originally posted by joneh
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Originally posted by Nickp
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Originally posted by joneh
Gov link
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
For cars or light vans:
suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
As this eBay car has no engine, gearbox, new chassis and suspension and different front axel, I'd say not legal...
So you'd be queueing up for an IVA after burning your Locost V5? I know I wouldn't
I wouldn't be selling it as legal to any Tom dick or Harry to put back on the road without an inspection.
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Originally posted by Nickp[/
But surely it's up to the new owner what they do with it? They'd be doing the 'illegal' bit, not him. Sounds to me like he's been honest about what he's selling.
Seems to me as a group we find some pleasure in finding things wrong with adverts on here.
Now if it is a Dutton which is a GT40 then fair enough but remember this. If your cars passed IVA or SVA and you then take bits off the test
specifically requires then selling that is technically illegal as you are now selling a none compliant car.
Do we castigate people who do this? No of course not.
The advert is clear what has been done. The system allows a chassis to be replaced and there is nothing to stop him altering the engine as well so
long as he tells the DVLA.
He is not representing the car as something it is not, so I would suggest the DVLA would not bat an eye lid over this. The awarding of points to
register a vehicle is so that no one registers a car as new when it is made up of parts. If it has too many it is allocated a Q plate after IVA.
This vehicle has passed and will be subject to an MOT which is sufficient in my mind to ensure the safety of the vehicle.
Have you seen the sellers other items?
You can legally reshell cars, Many restored MGB's are based on new shells
I don't see a problem most of our cars evolve over time
Post like this boil my blood sometimes as we as a community are all too quick to jump on the "ringer" bandwagon, but when it comes to
"get creative on word" when someone posts about getting a new plate no-one bats an eyelid - infact it is usually condoned.
Surely stopping the problem in the outset will go someway to lessening the problem down the line?
There is at least one example on the forum I can think of where a registered member has built a car using a mixture of new and second hand parts,
obtained a new reg and later on sold the car on this forum to someone without dilvulging the fact that it is incorrectly registered (prob because in
the builders eyes it isn't incorrectly registered, he just "got away with it".
Never mind all this re shelling, re chassising aiding and abetting, boiling blood and what not, are MT75s really worth £250 now, if they are I wish
I'd kept the two I gave away....
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Originally posted by r1_pete
Never mind all this re shelling, re chassising aiding and abetting, boiling blood and what not, are MT75s really worth £250 now, if they are I wish I'd kept the two I gave away....
For this vehicle to be road legal you would have to complete a V627/1 pertaining to radically altered vehicles. This determines if you can keep the original registration or not and would also apply to a vehicle re shell. The fact that people often don't follow this procedure due to it not being policed doesn't mean its legal (or wise) to ignore it. The reason it becomes important on forums like this to be discussed is to inform and help prevent the unknowledgeable making a big mistake.
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Originally posted by prawnabie
Post like this boil my blood sometimes as we as a community are all too quick to jump on the "ringer" bandwagon, but when it comes to "get creative on word" when someone posts about getting a new plate no-one bats an eyelid - infact it is usually condoned.
Surely stopping the problem in the outset will go someway to lessening the problem down the line?
There is at least one example on the forum I can think of where a registered member has built a car using a mixture of new and second hand parts, obtained a new reg and later on sold the car on this forum to someone without dilvulging the fact that it is incorrectly registered (prob because in the builders eyes it isn't incorrectly registered, he just "got away with it"
The system is in place to deal with situations like this.
If after completing the V627/1 you find the original reg cannot be kept the car has to be registered as a new vehicle.
Rebuilding of vehicles only becomes nonsensical when the correct procedure is not followed.
The car as advertised cannot be put back on the road legally without following the V627/1 described procedure.
This is not my opinion it is a fact.
There is nothing on that rolling chassis from the donor. It was sold on eBay around a year ago pretty much as the roller is now. With out the body work.