Can't believe what I'm hearing.
Shocking!! When they we're going through the scenario yesterday I thought straight away that it had been done on purpose by one of the pilots,
there didn't seem any other explanation
Certainly seems like there's no other logical explanation
looks as tho the guy had some issues in the past, stopped training half way through then resumed a while later, alleged depression, this was his first
pilot position and had only amassed 600 hours in 2 years (v low compared to many pilots who are usually pushed to the 900/yr limit.)
Very sad allround.
I think this is one for the conspiracy theorists, is this the second or third now that has been a suicidal pilot, they can tell us want they want, but what if some one has been able to hack into the flight systems, that they wouldn't tell you
Any normal co-pilot would have screamed for help if the system appeared to have been hacked - he/she certainly wouldn't have locked the chief pilot out of the cockpit...
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Originally posted by philw
I think this is one for the conspiracy theorists, is this the second or third now that has been a suicidal pilot, they can tell us want they want, but what if some one has been able to hack into the flight systems, that they wouldn't tell you
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Any normal co-pilot would have screamed for help if the system appeared to have been hacked - he/she certainly wouldn't have locked the chief pilot out of the cockpit...
, I was just chucking it out there, I do find it strange though 3 have gone down within a year, my sympathy's go out to the familiesquote:
Originally posted by sdh2903
quote:
Originally posted by philw
I think this is one for the conspiracy theorists, is this the second or third now that has been a suicidal pilot, they can tell us want they want, but what if some one has been able to hack into the flight systems, that they wouldn't tell you
Highly unlikely/impossible on this breed of aircraft. A320 family is late 70's early 80's tech. Unless someone has hard wired into the aircraft with a laptop without no one noticing.
Still principally the same, yes software/hardware has been upgraded but still not a million miles from the original or the aicraft's certification would be affected.
What a tw@t, depression or no to take 150 innocent people with you.
Cheers,
Bob
It always raises my eyebrow, just how old some of these planes are, I know they cost a fortune and money needs to be recouped
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Originally posted by philw
It always raises my eyebrow, just how old some of these planes are, I know they cost a fortune and money needs to be recouped
quote:
Originally posted by splitrivet
What a tw@t, depression or no to take 150 innocent people with you.
Cheers,
Bob
quote:
Originally posted by philw
It always raises my eyebrow, just how old some of these planes are, I know they cost a fortune and money needs to be recouped
I'd be surprised if it was "just" depression.
I'm betting they will find evidence of some sort of political agenda, but then again he might has just discovered that his wife's lover was
a passenger.
Ever since it was introduced, I always felt that the "NO entry possible from the outside of the cockpit door" was a minefield, just waiting
to go bang, as a knee-jerk reaction to September 11th. It is just possible that 'the pilot/co pilot' had a massive coronary or massive
cerebral event just after the other pilot left the cockpit. Suicide or medical event, either way it will be VERY difficult to prove.
My thoughts go to the families of those who died.
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Originally posted by jollygreengiant
Ever since it was introduced, I always felt that the "NO entry possible from the outside of the cockpit door" was a minefield, just waiting to go bang, as a knee-jerk reaction to September 11th. It is just possible that 'the pilot/co pilot' had a massive coronary or massive cerebral event just after the other pilot left the cockpit. Suicide or medical event, either way it will be VERY difficult to prove.
My thoughts go to the families of those who died.
There is also a keypad to gain access to the cockpit if needed. But it can be controlled from inside. If the copilot had simply collapsed the pilot
would of been able to access the cockpit. But the co pilot denied access showing he was fully awake.
[Edited on 26/3/15 by Ben_Copeland]
quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
There is also a keypad to gain access to the cockpit if needed. But it can be controlled from inside. If the copilot had simply collapsed the pilot would of been able to access the cockpit. But the co pilot denied access showing he was fully awake.
[Edited on 26/3/15 by Ben_Copeland]
The latest 'reports' are suggesting that the co-pilots ex-girlfriend was a Muslim and arranged for them both to 'holiday' at a jihad training camp. This would explain why the bloke 'disappeared' for a few weeks before he took employment with the doomed aircrafts owners.
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Originally posted by owelly
The latest 'reports' are suggesting that the co-pilots ex-girlfriend was a Muslim and arranged for them both to 'holiday' at a jihad training camp. This would explain why the bloke 'disappeared' for a few weeks before he took employment with the doomed aircrafts owners.
Seems to me they are jumping to conclusions very fast. While he probably did it you want to be very sure of your facts before you blame someone for such a heinous thing
technologically wise how far away are we from being able to take control of an aircraft in flight?
if we had concerns about an airplane ground control could take over and place it into autopilot and nullify this sort of thing or terrorist uses of
planes in this way.
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Originally posted by luke2152
Seems to me they are jumping to conclusions very fast. While he probably did it you want to be very sure of your facts before you blame someone for such a heinous thing
media chinese whispers
Echos of the Moorgate tube disaster. :-(
Before any real information came on some social media was full of idiots (mainly giving locations in the USA) were using it as a opportunity to damage
the reputation of Airbus.
Particularly heart-breaking for the co-pilot's parents who were reportedly en-route by coach to the crash site with other relatives of the dead,
only to be told that their son had crashed the plane on purpose! I can't imagine how they must have felt at that point!
The wreckage site it pretty shocking too - just how small the pieces are. I suppose on one hand it's comforting to know that the passengers
didn't suffer after impact although knowing that they were going down for several minutes before impact would have been tough on them I
expect.
One thing that does worry me a bit is the risk of pilot's being coerced into crashing their plane under threat of violence to their own loved
ones. Aircraft security is probably at a high enough level these days that a direct attack would be difficult. In such cases, criminals (especially
monsters such as ISIL) will look to another attack vector, and as is often the case, people can become the weak link. Even if it wasn't a threat
of violence, I imagine if a pilot got into severe financial troubles there might be a temptation to commit suicide in a way that was difficult to
distinguish from an accident in the hope that his/her family would be able to claim life insurance to resolve financial concerns.
Anyway, thoughts are with all those affected.
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Originally posted by owelly
The latest 'reports' are suggesting that the co-pilots ex-girlfriend was a Muslim and arranged for them both to 'holiday' at a jihad training camp. This would explain why the bloke 'disappeared' for a few weeks before he took employment with the doomed aircrafts owners.
Don't shoot the messenger!!
quote:
According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.
Translation from German:
All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radical”, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.
Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form. And so it is clear that Islam is a terrorist organization that are in accordance with §129a of the Criminal Code to prohibit it and to investigate its followers. But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, “Islamic Scholars”) will agree to assign this an act of a “mentally unstable” man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.
For now the German Islam supporters like never before have their backs against the wall.
Michael Mannheimer, 26.3.2015
I was thinking that too - you even put 'quotes' around some of the words to indicate scepticism. It's not like you were suggesting all
muslims were jihadists. 
I hope not. My cousins wedding won't be much fun if it's attended by a bunch of Jihadist Loons.
According to the latest news the German police after forcing entry into the copilots flat say he must have been suffering from serious mental
illness.
So what the heck was he doing flying an airliner, one for the airline itself to answer by the the sound of it.
Cheers,
Bob
You would have thought a system would be in place for Doctors to report depression and metal illness of a pilot to the CAA direct, under some sort of
duty of care?
How would a doctor know that someone was a pilot if the patient told them something different?
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Originally posted by SteveWalker
How would a doctor know that someone was a pilot if the patient told them something different?
The latest on that lot from the BBC:
"Prosecutors say there was no evidence of a political or religious motive for his actions and no suicide note has been found."
The fact he had been with the airline for a few years but had only 600 flying hours rang alarm bells for me that would only be about 7 months for a budget airline pilot.
Far right groups and blogs have made up the Muslim link to stir up racial hatred. The scum 'Britain First' are all over it on Facebook.
There is, to my knowledge, no official mention of this aspect.
On a side note, congratulations, you took that bellend comment with immense grace! We all know you're not. 
quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Don't shoot the messenger!!
quote:
According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.
Translation from German:
All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radical”, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.
Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form. And so it is clear that Islam is a terrorist organization that are in accordance with §129a of the Criminal Code to prohibit it and to investigate its followers. But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, “Islamic Scholars”) will agree to assign this an act of a “mentally unstable” man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.
For now the German Islam supporters like never before have their backs against the wall.
Michael Mannheimer, 26.3.2015
[Edited on 27/3/15 by owelly]
There are two scary things about that quote
1) that the person who wrote it thought people would be stupid to believe it and not see it for what it is
2) that people actually are willing to believe it
I particularly like the conspiracy bit at the end- the bit which suggests that of course the 'media' and politicians will tell you he was
just crazy. And the more they deny it the more it's true. Yeh. We know the truth really, don't we (wink wink). The media and the politicians
are conspiring with the lizard people to develop a moonbase so that Elvis, Lord Lucan and the Lock Ness monster can join forces on the lunar surface,
enabling them (with the help of the tooth fairy and Santa Claus) to control our thoughts with telepathy. Get out the tinfoil hats people, it's
true I tell ye. Yeeee haaaaa!
Either the person that wrote it is f#cking stupid or they think I am! Radicalism of any form is wrong and sadly the writing in that quote demonstrates
that the author is just as sick and naive a fanatic as any in this world.
It's amazing how many people either believe in or dislike/hate a particular religion they've never actually looked into in much depth!
It's a bit like saying you like / dislike a movie you've never seen. How do you know?
I guess fundamentally some people need something to believe in and the important thing becomes the belief rather than a belief in anything in
particular. Can't they just choose a football team to follow and be done with it?
My appologies,
In the heat of the moment, I felt like a real keyboard warrior.
Living in Australia has made us much more aware of different cultures and belifes, and to be honest, I am sick to death of the facebook feed from my
uk friends and their, simple, narrow minded views of muslims.
Once agian, sorry.
Good on ya' 
One of the better quites from this story was from a relative, possibly facther of one of the deceased.
Said he was not angry but felt very sorry for the parents of the co pilot.
Bottom line is if somebody wants to do something crazy, short of locking everybody on the planet in a room, you wont prevent it.
As BT had mentioned, the hours do not add up 600 hours in six years is quite an incredible feet,
Were I currently work (25 years) our Pilots are contracted to 750 a year, with a legal maximum of 900
pretty well 90% of them will work into the 700-770 a year or pro rata'd for part time
We do have part time contracts, but this is only given to Pilots who have achieved certain criteria
I believe it to be 5000 hours and 2000 on type
All short haul Airline Pilots will be in the 800 plus per year, so how did this guy only achieve 600 in six years ?
it would seam he has had an awful lot of time off, and this will come out soon
steve
He only started flying In 2013, Still low though. Pilots where I work are all worked pretty much up to the max 900.
yes you are right in qualifying in 2013, but just to get to that stage of flying requires hundreds of hours learning, plus his gliding hours will count towards the total so 600 total hours for a commercial Pilot is a very very low figure
I doubt the 630 hours quoted in the press is total hours and more likely since qualification. It's 500 hours minimum to get an ATPL. As he
completed training in house with lufthansa (v highly regarded) he probably did more than minimum. And as you rightly say he would have had PPL and
glider hours on top.
Whichever way you look at it he wasn't exactly highly experienced and in days gone by that amount of hours would not have got you in a position
to be left in soul command of a jet with 150 souls on board.