TheHighlander123
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 05:54 PM |
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ZX9 C Won't start - PLEASE HELP
As above,
Looking for assistance.
Had a complete nightmare with my conversion, got pissed off with it and bought a "running conversion" from a forum memeber.
Anyway the lad has fitted the engine, wired it up and is not getting a spark.
100 OHM Resistor is fitted 4 inches from the ECU - 12v in and 9 out
Brown/white wire has 12v
ECU is earthed
Clutch switch wires are joined
Green/white kickstand wire is earthed the same way as ECU
Getting 12v off the red wire AT THE COIL
Getting the correct reading at trigger and cam pos
Have tried 3 other CDI's as I have 4 of them lol
Its winding over but just not sparking
Have tried other coils and fitted new plugs
PLEASE HELP it's cost me a fortune and I just don't know what to do anymore.
Im alot of £££ into this now, actually if im honest too much.
Any help would be great.
[Edited on 7/3/17 by TheHighlander123]
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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owelly
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 06:08 PM |
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Daft as it may seem, is the battery in tip top condition? I know of a bloke who only lastnight discovered he'd been pi$$ing into the wind for
the past two weeks trying to get his Hayabusa engine to run correctly before lobbing a set of jump leads onto another battery and it ran fine. His
battery checked out at 13v but once cranking over it dropped too low to supply enough juice to play ball.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 06:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Daft as it may seem, is the battery in tip top condition? I know of a bloke who only lastnight discovered he'd been pi$$ing into the wind for
the past two weeks trying to get his Hayabusa engine to run correctly before lobbing a set of jump leads onto another battery and it ran fine. His
battery checked out at 13v but once cranking over it dropped too low to supply enough juice to play ball.
Yep we have a booster pack on it and it's a brand new battery.
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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Toprivetguns
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 06:32 PM |
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Had an issue with my zx10r cranking over, but no spark.
Turned out that I had connected some big block 16way connectors incorrectly.
Instead of grey to grey and brown to brown, I'd managed to munge them brown to grey etc.
Worth a punt.
Only drive as fast as your angel can fly... !
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 09:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Toprivetguns
Had an issue with my zx10r cranking over, but no spark.
Turned out that I had connected some big block 16way connectors incorrectly.
Instead of grey to grey and brown to brown, I'd managed to munge them brown to grey etc.
Worth a punt.
That's all been checked.
It's a kit car garage that have it, they are thinking of giving up on it as they have tried everything.
I really don't know what to do anymore.
Are there any ZX9 specialists on here?
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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Andy W
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 09:17 PM |
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Have a look at this, it was a while ago when I had similar problems.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=9844&page=1
Something else that may help, on my ZX10 engine, using a 100ohm resister.
If I go from position one to position two on the ignition switch slowly, the engine won't spark. It's as if the ecu has to see the volt
drop within a certain time.
Andy
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 09:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy W
Have a look at this, it was a while ago when I had similar problems.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=9844&page=1
Something else that may help, on my ZX10 engine, using a 100ohm resister.
If I go from position one to position two on the ignition switch slowly, the engine won't spark. It's as if the ecu has to see the volt
drop within a certain time.
Andy
Andy how did you solve you issue?
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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mackei23b
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 09:54 PM |
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Have a look here: http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=204405#pid1713501
You'll also see my wiring diagram for a ZX9R C engine
Cheers
Ian
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 10:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mackei23b
Have a look here: http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=204405#pid1713501
You'll also see my wiring diagram for a ZX9R C engine
Cheers
Ian
Exellent.
Thank you for that.
This is deffo something for us to look at tomorrow.
If it sorts it I'll get a crate of beer sent out for you mate.
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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Andy W
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 10:05 PM |
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It's been a while, but I seem to remember I was getting fed up
I think I just checked all the earths and connections and it sparked.
I don't particularly remember finding the exact reason, sorry that's not much help
Keep at it, im sure you'll get there
Andy
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 10:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy W
It's been a while, but I seem to remember I was getting fed up
I think I just checked all the earths and connections and it sparked.
I don't particularly remember finding the exact reason, sorry that's not much help
Keep at it, im sure you'll get there
Andy
Problem is I am paying someone else to do this.
I'm in quite deep with costs now to the point it's getting stupid.
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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mackei23b
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 10:14 PM |
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Oh........ one other thing, it won't start without the choke.....
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 10:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mackei23b
Oh........ one other thing, it won't start without the choke.....
We are getting fuel.
12v to the coil but just no spark.
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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dave_424
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 10:53 PM |
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Checked the kill switch that would have been on the handle?
Are you getting 12V to the coils WHILE cranking?
Have you tried the "If you are using the little fuse block just earth the green black that runs from that to the IC. That defeats all the lock
outs and lets it start." that Coozer suggests?
I also have a CDI and set of coils you could try if needed from a 1998 C1
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 7/3/17 at 10:54 PM |
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Pity your so far away because the electrics aren't particularly complicated on these. I would be looking at the cam sensor next. Try not to give
up though you've got this far.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 06:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wylliezx9r
Pity your so far away because the electrics aren't particularly complicated on these. I would be looking at the cam sensor next. Try not to give
up though you've got this far.
It doesn't have a cam sensor mate
Apparently even tho it has C on the crank case it doesn't mean it's a C if that makes ssnsez
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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bowood14
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 07:56 AM |
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If it hasn't got a cam sensor it's likely to be an E engine 2000 - 2002 if you are using the Ecu from a C engine it won't work
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 08:08 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bowood14
If it hasn't got a cam sensor it's likely to be an E engine 2000 - 2002 if you are using the Ecu from a C engine it won't work
Right
Turns out with Kawi's the crankcase number ZX900CE doesn't signify if its a C model.
C model has
Cam sensor
2 plugs CDI
E model has
NO cam sensor
Single plug CDI
Which is what I have.
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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mcerd1
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 10:49 AM |
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sounds like you may be getting somewhere now - even if its not the answer you wanted 
I believe E1/E2 are also the only ones that had keihin CVR carbs (all the others use CVK's) - you can tell which you have as it should be cast
into the side of the carbs like this in the top left of the pic:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/mcerd1/Dax/IMG_3987.jpg
(these are my ZX9R E1 carbs that are going on my pinto)
[Edited on 8/3/2017 by mcerd1]
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 02:02 PM |
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Progress is being made.
Found the wires that go to the coils had been somehow joined together poorly.
This was causing high resistance.
Tried swapping out he CDI and turns out a pin on the supplied CDi was dead.
Car now has a spark.
Further update
Car is now running off fuel, it's not running smooth but the garage are going to clean the carbs etc.
Thank fuck
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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mackei23b
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 03:46 PM |
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Well done!
Cheers
Ian
[Edited on 8/3/17 by mackei23b]
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40inches
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 04:04 PM |
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Result
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HowardB
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 04:08 PM |
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Great news and palpable relief,.. stemming of the cash haemorrhage I hope
I know how it feels, almost 9 months last year my car refused to run properly,..
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again and goes zoom)
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perksy
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 07:22 PM |
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Pleased good progress has been made
I thought he might be on the verge of setting fire to it 
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TheHighlander123
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| posted on 8/3/17 at 09:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by perksy
Pleased good progress has been made
I thought he might be on the verge of setting fire to it
That was the next plan.
Burn it to the ground haha.
Yep I have been sent a vide of it running and revving nicely.
Jobs left for the garage to do are
Fit all coolant hoses
Set up gear lever kit
Get the speedo working - everything works bar the MPH - So have ordered a speedo healer
I'm collecting it saturday and will finish all the jobs off.
BUZZING.
Thanks to everyone for the help, was posting on ZX9 forums and the lads sent a list of stuff to check.
Westfield SEIW 1700 Forged crossflow, twin 40s etc etc etc - Now about to do a ZX9R
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