Took my MK Indy ZX10R yesterday to have a full exhaust system built from scratch. Must say I was very impressed from the moment I spoke to everyone
there. They ran me through all my header options (4-1 & 4-2-1) etc. What sort of back box id like and overall finish when completed. If anyone is
thinking of having a full system made, Id definitely recommend these guys.
Ill post some pictures once its done. Looking forward to the end result !
Looking forward to the pics. They make great exhausts.
Finally collected my car today and WOW ! What can I say. Thoroughly impressed with the end result.
Mike and his team done a fantastic job with the exhaust. Definetly recommend Tube Engineers to anyone who is looking for a High Quality system for
there BEC or CEC.
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Looks eexpeensive!...How much?
Lets just say im eating cornflakes and beans for the next month
Looks like a nice system.
I'd put money on it being a shed load cheaper than anywhere else.
All thanks to you chap! Fantastic workmanship and value for money
They made mine too, very pleased with it.
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!
How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?
It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.
There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!
Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.
Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.
Cheers,
Nev.
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!
How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?
It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.
There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!
Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.
Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.
Cheers,
Nev.
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!
How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?
It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.
There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!
Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.
Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.
Cheers,
Nev.
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!
How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?
It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.
There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!
Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.
Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.
Cheers,
Nev.
If they're equal length and packaged how you want then you'll not loose anything at all HP wise..
[Edited on 20/9/11 by franky]
HOW MUCH?
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!
How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?
It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.
There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!
Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.
Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.
Cheers,
Nev.
4"+ of straight pipe out the head, all equal length, smooth joins. thats about as good as you'll get without altering chassis to suit. looks damn fine too
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Originally posted by franky
If they're equal length and packaged how you want then you'll not loose anything at all HP wise..
[Edited on 20/9/11 by franky]
It should work very well. Also it'll look better once they've had some heat through them
Now ever they look at least you have them. I've been waiting 8 weeks for a set of header for my hayabusa fury through Fury cars from these people. All we have had is broken promises or in old fashion language, lies, lies and more lies. Any way now getting them made locally - delivery in 10 days.
OK, it's not my place to show 'experts' how they should be doing their work.
If you lot think that manifold is fantastic, go give the makers your money.
But, have a look at a few racecar exhausts before you decide that pipes bent like that are what most are using.
Just because it's pretty, doesn't mean it's right.
Cheers,
Nev.
Mr.Phelps, you're an eng student (?I think, first year?), go find a text on gas flow and fluid dynamics, then YOU come and tell us why that
exhaust is not 'optimum'. Just make sure you do the homework well.
I just spotted the chassis.......no, I won't comment.
Enthusiasm and aesthetics doesn't mean good design!
[Edited on 21/9/11 by Neville Jones]
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
OK, it's not my place to show 'experts' how they should be doing their work.
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
OK, it's not my place to show 'experts' how they should be doing their work.
If you lot think that manifold is fantastic, go give the makers your money.
But, have a look at a few racecar exhausts before you decide that pipes bent like that are what most are using.
Just because it's pretty, doesn't mean it's right.
Cheers,
Nev.
Mr.Phelps, you're an eng student (?I think, first year?), go find a text on gas flow and fluid dynamics, then YOU come and tell us why that exhaust is not 'optimum'. Just make sure you do the homework well.
I just spotted the chassis.......no, I won't comment.
Enthusiasm and aesthetics doesn't mean good design!
[Edited on 21/9/11 by Neville Jones]
Criticism is easy, constructive criticism take some brains and as he hasn't been forthcoming with an explanation I assume he just likes slamming
others work for no reason.
I can see why it might lose a few hp though the big kinks but compared to the standard aerodynamics of the 7 I don't think it would make the
slightest bit of noticeable difference for a road/track toy.
This is how Tony Law tackles this sort of thing....
Case closed
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
Enthusiasm and aesthetics doesn't mean good design!
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
OK, it's not my place to show 'experts' how they should be doing their work.
If you lot think that manifold is fantastic, go give the makers your money.
But, have a look at a few racecar exhausts before you decide that pipes bent like that are what most are using.
Just because it's pretty, doesn't mean it's right.
Cheers,
Nev.
Mr.Phelps, you're an eng student (?I think, first year?), go find a text on gas flow and fluid dynamics, then YOU come and tell us why that exhaust is not 'optimum'. Just make sure you do the homework well.
I just spotted the chassis.......no, I won't comment.
Enthusiasm and aesthetics doesn't mean good design!
[Edited on 21/9/11 by Neville Jones]
My only concern woudl be the use of stainless and it having (apparently) zero intermediate support between the tips - with heat that stainless gets
brittle and with poor support you may find it cracks. But it's easy enough to lob in a support.
Flow-wise, I don't like the fairly sharp radius kink in 3 and the primaries look a bit long (but that could be right for the desired effect, I
don't know) but I can't see anything in it that might drop more than a % or two by guestimation. Willing to be proved wrong though.
With the exception of one person in particular I appreciate everyone's input. I joined this site to help others and seek advice from like minded
enthusiasts.
If anything, positive criticism is appreciate as it can only add value to my car !
Its a shame the 1% always ruin it for the other 99%.
“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him”
Nothing like a bit of debate, is there?
I didn't question the workmanship, as I said, it's very pretty.
The design is questionable.
From first appearances, it appears that the makers either don't have a bigger radius die for that size tube, or couldn't be bothered
changing the dies.
The manifold would look a lot better, and function much better, if larger radius bends were used, and a little more thought actually put into the tube
runs.
If anyone is considering using the manufacturers of that manifold to make one for them selves, then ask what centreline radius the die is that they
intend to use for the bending. If it is not more than 3~4 times the tube diameter, then ask them to invest in the suitable sized tooling, before doing
your job.
That's all it needs.
I'll say no more.
Just because it looks pretty, doesn't mean it's right.
Cheers,
Nev.
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Originally posted by Neville Jones
Nothing like a bit of debate, is there?
I didn't question the workmanship, as I said, it's very pretty.
The design is questionable.
From first appearances, it appears that the makers either don't have a bigger radius die for that size tube, or couldn't be bothered changing the dies.
The manifold would look a lot better, and function much better, if larger radius bends were used, and a little more thought actually put into the tube runs.
If anyone is considering using the manufacturers of that manifold to make one for them selves, then ask what centreline radius the die is that they intend to use for the bending. If it is not more than 3~4 times the tube diameter, then ask them to invest in the suitable sized tooling, before doing your job.
That's all it needs.
I'll say no more.
Just because it looks pretty, doesn't mean it's right.
Cheers,
Nev.
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Equally, you can have all the knowledge in the world and you'll still get ignored when you come across as a cock.