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sgraber - 6/11/05 at 04:59 PM

Ok, maybe it's because I live in the US, but this particular car design really struck a chord with me. At initial glance it seems extremely well thought out. My personal preference would be to place a high revving bike engine in the back, but I can really sense that this would be an enjoyable car to drive.

Opinions?






skint scotsman - 6/11/05 at 05:02 PM

looks very interesting

gotta linky to any more info??

kinda like an atom with a grammal (?spelling?) scorpion


Dale - 6/11/05 at 05:16 PM

That chassis could lead to a beautifull boat tailed roadster.
Dale


sgraber - 6/11/05 at 05:18 PM

This is all I've got. http://www.twintechcars.com/

The creator is Dave Piontek of www.Funcar.com. He emailed me a few days ago after he found my website. Seems like a decent guy.


907 - 6/11/05 at 05:53 PM

Very nice...... apart from that fuel tank.

Looks like something off a lawnmower.

Paul G


kb58 - 6/11/05 at 06:00 PM

Dave Piontek's the same engineer that designed the "Sportech", a mid-mounted bike-powered two seater. As a product the Sportech seems to have faded away. Back when I was interested in it, the only sales guy was in Hawaii, and that he/they ended up only making it available to educational institutions(?)

I even have a promo tape around here... I think it was around $30K, another kitcar few (6?) could afford. There's a lesson here in all the out-of-business car companies...


sgraber - 6/11/05 at 06:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Ashurst
Have you seen these, Steve? Ariel Atom

Rear engine/high power to your taste?


Oh yes, And it's very nice. But you know, the Atoms frame shape doesn't really 'do' it for me. I think I actually like the twintech frame design better. I'm more traditional maybe?

And I do see some boat-tail influence there. In fact, the whole design is working off the retro-rod theme. The flat black finishes, the street-rod inspired fuel tank, the small lights, the windshield-lets (what do you call those?) It's really well thought out IMHO.

Not so sure about the bracing for the roll hoops tho... won't those fold over pretty easily?


sgraber - 6/11/05 at 06:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by kb58
Dave Piontek's the same engineer that designed the "Sportech", a mid-mounted bike-powered two seater. As a product the Sportech seems to have faded away. Back when I was interested in it, the only sales guy was in Hawaii, and that he/they ended up only making it available to educational institutions(?)

I even have a promo tape around here... I think it was around $30K, another kitcar few (6?) could afford. There's a lesson here in all the out-of-business car companies...


The SporTech was designed in 1992. A bit ahead of it's time. There is a website http://www.funcar.com . I understand that 6 were sold and the asking price was around $50K (just googled it so that could be wrong). The body was also then used for the T-Zero all electric car. http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_home.htm


[Edited on 11/6/05 by sgraber]


Peteff - 6/11/05 at 06:38 PM

Grinnal Scorpion. More like a Morgan with the exposed engine.


G.Man - 6/11/05 at 07:03 PM

Grinnal scorpion has single rear wheel drive from a rear mounted BMW motor doesnt it?

Like the overall look but would prefer the rear/mid mounted bike engine version without the body...

With the body it just looks like another budget sportscar... without it looks like something far cooler...

I am very surprised none of the kit car manufacturers in the UK have done something ariel atomesqe with a rear mounted motorcycle engine... perhaps we will see one soon...


mad4x4 - 6/11/05 at 07:13 PM

Would that car at the top Pass the SVA with all those sticky out bits?


CD-5 - 6/11/05 at 07:18 PM

I think it is a good compromise betwen a Atom and a Locost ...mid engin it should be like g.man said

Like the retro look cues from morgan trikes,hotrod, etc...

anyone tried to skin a locost from the inside ?
i like the look of exposed tubes and minimal bodywork..a revamped locost maybe. it needs something done at the front the V bar /bumper don't do it for me... we have to see what is going to happen with it pricewise... it can be a hit...


ASH3 - 6/11/05 at 07:28 PM

I like that but just feel its missin somethin..
lights... sva.. someone too purchase it! Its
one of those too just look at i feel..


Hellfire - 6/11/05 at 07:45 PM

Quite like it. I think it looks more of a proper car than the Atom and I prefer the aesthetics of the chassis design. I agree with G-man though, it deserves a rear/mid engine. This would also allow a better looking front end to be designed.

Yep, I definitely like it.

Phil


CD-5 - 6/11/05 at 08:05 PM

After careful examination It seems to use alot of bike parts (brakes) and some custom parts which are not very locost. As for performance it Needs a proper bike engine...Harley's dont'make much power in standard form.

Anyone has an idea of the gearbox used ?
By the look of it what weight do you guess?

[Edited on 6/11/05 by CD-5]


dl_peabody - 6/11/05 at 08:43 PM

Harley powered cars...



Three-wheeled Merlin Roadster, $29,995
link http://merlinmotorsusa.com/


http://www.jaxports.com/streester.html

http://www.jaxports.com/harleyengine.htm
The Streetster combines a 3/4 scale '32 Ford Roadster with power from HARLEY-DAVIDSON!



Rodster or roadster, looking for a link...
Found it...

Price is a mistery...
http://www.hotrodhawg.com/

I quess the problem is with Niche marketing and the cost of produceing a few models...I like the twintech car nice.....but is it worth 30k? Well designed and looks well thought out...SIGH.


Harry B - 6/11/05 at 08:46 PM

It's looks like an Ariel Atom had a fight with a Morgan F Trike.Wonder who won.....[pg=]


dl_peabody - 6/11/05 at 08:47 PM

I am not sure how they pull off the rear in the TWINTECH.....

....Here is how Jax pulls it off.

Interesting and NOT locost.

http://www.jaxports.com/trike.htm


HARLEY-DAVIDSON BIG TWIN
Belt or chain drive to 90° case.
See the link for other engines and prices.


Hellfire - 6/11/05 at 08:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dl_peabody
Harley powered cars...


Shouldn't that read Hardley powered cars?........................


dl_peabody - 6/11/05 at 08:53 PM

Same performance more locost...





Sorry it as funny I had to share

bottom of the page
http://www.ikonsuspension.com/content/customer-projects.html
Disc brakes too

[Edited on 7/11/05 by dl_peabody]


Peteff - 6/11/05 at 09:01 PM

Schnauzer power . Optional pgrade to a husky for some real pull?


sgraber - 6/11/05 at 09:09 PM

I just got a bunch more photos from Dave Piontek and a LOT more information about the car. I am asking for his permission to post them here. Believe me on closeup inspection the car is a jewel. Aparently it will be sold at Harley dealerships in a custom chopper (think whatever the client wants) format. Almost all the bits are bespoke and out of the highest quality materials. The engine is a highly modified 125 cubic inch (big dollar) unit that puts out over 125Lb/ft torque. Car weighs under 1,100Lbs. he says it's a big problem to keep from smoking the tires.

I can say from the photos I have that the transmission is integral to the rear diff in a manner similar to a Corvette (or Alfa Romeo?). Diff looks like a quick change unit as well, with a seperate oil cooler. I assume that there is a driveshaft directly off the crank back to the transaxle.

USA has no SVA issues, life is much easier for us in that way.

The interior photos show a great amount of restraint on the designers behalf with a simple curved carbon fiber dash, some useful instrumentation and a very simple t-bar shifter on the center console. Maybe it is an automatic? Don't know. I can't imagine that it is sequential.

What's very unusual is that I can't see how the cycle wings are attached. If I can post his photos you will see what I mean. There are no front or vertical stays...


dl_peabody - 6/11/05 at 09:14 PM

For those that want more power and Ugly looks...

http://www.jaxports.com/stinger.html

Complete Rolling Chassis Kit $9,995.00
Set up for H-D Sportster, Polaris Victory,
or H-D big twin w/Baker transmission, includes drive belt and 90° transfer case add $1,400 (otherwise set up for as 4 Cylinder Bike engine)
Street package: includes head/tail lights, turn signals, glass, switches, wiring, brake lights, license light, manual wiper, mirror, horn. $650

Different body types
Streetster, all fiberglass ’32 Ford, ¾ scale
$6,495
Stinger roadster, sheet aluminum body & interior $1,400
Stinger coupe, sheet aluminum body & interior $1,500
Stinger sedan, sheet aluminum body & interior $1,700
Stinger pickup, sheet aluminum body & interior, steel bed $1,900



SGRABER Did he happen to mention price?

[Edited on 6/11/05 by dl_peabody]


sgraber - 6/11/05 at 11:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dl_peabody
SGRABER Did he happen to mention price?


Um, I think if one has to ask....

My guess is big BIG $$$


kb58 - 7/11/05 at 04:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by sgraber

USA has no SVA issues, life is much easier for us in that way.

There are no front or vertical stays...


Not literally, but there's the Highway Patrol Safety inspection which I think is similar but not as strict.

About the stays, if there are no supports, then it's just promo pictures where they're set in place... loose.

I like the car, but like eveyone else says, the wrong engine's at the wrong end. But, if people buy it, it doesn't matter... though at I'm guessing, $50K again, it's not going to go far. If people want a Harley, I really think they want a motorcycle.


kb58 - 7/11/05 at 05:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by sgraber
The engine is a highly modified 125 cubic inch (big dollar) unit that puts out over 125Lb/ft torque.


Good grief, that's a 2000cc engine. I suppose you can dump $20,000 into a two-cylinder old-school design bike engine and get something pretty awsome. That must have terrible vibration issues... stock Harleys are bad enough. Of course for a bit more $$$ why not get the Hayabusa-based V8 and be done with it?

It reminds me of the guys with show cars, where $200,000 is dumped into a... Honda... um, congratulations?

Yeah I guess I'm just tired out and cynical. Unless the car (any kit car) is <$20K, and in a kit, it won't sell, and it's just about impossible to make any money when they're that cheap.


Rorty - 7/11/05 at 06:37 AM

At first glance, I think its quite a nice looking car; streets ahead of the Atom.
However, on second looks, it's a potential death trap! Look at the roll hoop braces and the shoulder harness mounts!
And really, a Harvey Danielson isn't going to pull anyones foreskin back in a hurry.


RallyHarry - 7/11/05 at 11:28 AM

>Yeah I guess I'm just tired out and cynical. Unless the car (any kit car) is <$20K, and in a kit, it won't sell, and it's just about impossible to make any money when they're that cheap.

Success in the kitcar industry:
1. Create a GOOD LOOKING car, and I mean a good looking not like the current crop
2. Take proffessional pictures of it.
3. Publish pictures, drawings and a build manual ( not a build-diary a MANUAL) in a book.
4.Sell book together with information on where they can get the parts (to who you sold the mold to etc)
5. Get back to your paying dayjob, since you'll never get a kitcar company to produce any serius money.

Presto.

Cheers


kb58 - 7/11/05 at 02:55 PM

What he said ^


chrisf - 7/11/05 at 03:42 PM

quote:

And really, a Harvey Danielson isn't going to pull anyones foreskin back in a hurry.



That is funny!

I like the car. Seem possible for manny of us to fabricate something similar. A transverse bike engine would be just the ticket. Steve, while he's sending pictures, why not ask for the CAD model or did they designing chopper-style with rulers, chalk and flat concrete?

--Chris


CD-5 - 8/11/05 at 12:00 PM

Steeve did you receive the permission to post the aditionnal pics and info you receive ?

By comparison,CAmapgna motosport mfg of the t-Rex are DOT approved in the us with a network of dealers and the manage to sell no more than 200-300 a year at a price of 60k$ the first T-Rex they sell in canada where 25-30k$ cdn...new manufacturing plant,dealers markup add alot to the price... and they have a pretty good deal for the bike parts from kawasaki so they don't have to buy the complete bike. By what we hear in Québec they been bankrupt once already and are close to closing all the time. The custom kit as they plan seems difficult to get going...to make money.


akumabito - 9/11/05 at 12:57 AM

The Harley engine may not be the most powerful engine out there, but it sure does sound awesome..


sgraber - 9/11/05 at 03:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CD-5
Steeve did you receive the permission to post the aditionnal pics and info you receive ?




No, not yet. Haven't heard back yet. I'll post them up in a few days if I don't heard back. I wouldn't want my stuff bandied around without my knowledge so prefer to get permission.


yahshuatwo - 9/11/05 at 01:48 PM

Cool and innovative... I particularly like the chassis, it's integrated well with the body design


physician - 10/11/05 at 01:26 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CD-5
Steeve did you receive the permission to post the aditionnal pics and info you receive ?

By comparison,CAmapgna motosport mfg of the t-Rex are DOT approved in the us with a network of dealers and the manage to sell no more than 200-300 a year at a price of 60k$ the first T-Rex they sell in canada where 25-30k$ cdn...new manufacturing plant,dealers markup add alot to the price... and they have a pretty good deal for the bike parts from kawasaki so they don't have to buy the complete bike. By what we hear in Québec they been bankrupt once already and are close to closing all the time. The custom kit as they plan seems difficult to get going...to make money.


i read im LAPRESse that campagna have been bought by a group of investor last year. they are planning on making it pass transport aproval and seling it through jonhscotti and some other edaler in the country and us. they are planning a redesign europeen version.. faor a year or 2..

i learn it the week after i start my meghanical engineering class.. guest where i'll send my cv? lol