Waiting for the SHeik to roll out one make car and let the drivers do the business.
Until then we have plenty things to keep us amused.
RANT OVER comments welcome
What a load of ****** that ferrari and the other spoilt brats are having. This more than ever has put me off watching that bunch of corporate driven
turkeys playing the political games. Like a Minardi is going to beat a F++++ or the redbull with the square jaw has been.
Waiting for the SHeik to roll out one make car and let the drivers do the business.
Until then we have plenty things to keep us amused.
RANT OVER comments welcome
I too am looking forward to when the Sheik (cant remember his name) gets that race series set up with identical cars. (IIRC lotus were making the cars
for him, or at least had a big input).
Then it will be down to driver skill, not how much money you spend on electronic driving aids...
Bring back the days of proper race cars...then there will be some proper competition again (and we will see who can really drive...). Yes it may slow
the racing down, but at the end of the day it will make it much more exciting.
David
but on the bright side, ferrari have looked rather poor in testing! comprehensively beaten by other teams, like mclaren 
all good.
i belive minardi were using last years car and as this years were suposed to be slower they didnt want a fluke win by the back row boys,they would
have been on home turf remember.
another reason i gave up on f1 years ago
i like the idea of spending your last penny
for every BHP you can find..
also i like it when i see ferrarie lose from Renault...
knowing they spent every last penny..
since i come to this forum my degree to respect is very limited for Ferrari..
i one of our cars would competete to a Maranello or porsche..look what we do witht he money we put in it??
i think in F1 they should give points for money spended by the companies if you cab grab 10points but with a querter of the money of Ferrari i think
you do well..
also i think you should better compare drivers within one team...
look @ barichello is he really doing as well as M.Schumi..???
thats pure drivers difference..
and McClaren don't win from renault forget it..
its all about tracion and that something we should know..
low centre of grav..and with car is the clue..
TKS
The problem with F1 is that they dont drive the cars anymore. The cars drive themselves pretty much (with a bit of help from the pit crew) all the
driver does it point it in the right direction.
On one of the car programs (think it may have been top gear, a while ago now) they had a steering wheel from the new F1 cars. Control over everything;
traction control, LSD's, brake balance, engine tune etc all during the race. Its gone beyond the point of stupid. It would be very interesting to
see how well some of the 'drivers' could do without all the electrical wizardry.
Racing should be about man and machine, not machine and electronics.
I dont really have a problem with the adjustable engine tune, brake balance as thats all part of a good race car anyway but i do have trouble
understanding why such apparently good drivers need to rely on things like ABS and TC to put their cars round the track.
Money buys technology, the more money you have the more technology you can put on your car. Ferrari always winning hands down...so they persistently
win the races as well.
I liked the new proposed rules, which will severly limit the amount of technology on the cars, all have the same engine etc. Back to proper racing.
What other race series allows you to turn up with pretty much any car, in any state of tune? Other than F1?...thats not the way to run a race series!
eg BTC are limited on car/engines as is the DTM. 750 series is limited car and engine, rallying is limited choice of engine, formula student is
limited engines. The limits make the racing closer, less predictable and more exciting!
You may not agree with what i said...but there ya go 
David
Watch a motor bike race, puts F1 to shame, you can actually see people driving the machines, not just an engineer in the driving seat fidling with
buttons on a steering wheel.
Not to be confused with an engineer fidling with Jenson Button.
The best bit about bike racing is that any part of the track is prime for overtaking on, its not just a pile up on the first corner followed by a 1.5
hour procession.
IMHO]Michael Schumacher rocks. He is quite simply the best driver in Formula 1 at the moment and one of the few living legends of our time.
IMHOWhy should a one make series be much different? Stick the current bunch of Formula 1 drivers in one make cars and Schumacher (M) will win
everytime.
IMHOStick Schumacher in any other formula 1 team, throw some cash at it and within three years they'll be the team heading the
championship
[Edited on 4-3-05 by Hellfire]
Have a look at:
http://www.a1gp.com
Flash website, so can't post the direct link. The A1 Car link tells you all about the car, and is pretty transparent compared to an F1 car specs.
Lola have the car contract.
Looking forward to it, and I'll definately be going to Brands Hatch to see the opener
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Michael Schumacher rocks. He is quite simply the best driver in Formula 1 at the moment and one of the few living legends of our time.
Why should a one make series be much different? Stick the current bunch of Formula 1 drivers in one make cars and Schumacher (M) will win everytime.
Stick Schumacher in any other formula 1 team, throw some cash at it and within three years they'll be the team heading the championship
minardi have been allowed to qualify on sat......so maybe
Aaaagh.... this is where having one name for two team members sucks!!!
IMHO Although I belive it is true MS is very good (no more) it is also true that whoever has the most money usually wins. This is true in life
not just F1.
IMHO Put MS in a Minardi - and whilst it might be said that their position will improve a few. It is not a one man team... he has the whole
Ferrari Co. behind him and that can't be a bad thing. If Ron gets his finger out of his asre and spends more money then Mc will reign once
more.
IMHO However, i should shut up... it's now become a F1 train with MS in front etc etc etc (yawn!!!) so I stopped watching it last
year...
[Edited on 4-3-05 by Hellfire]
Did anyone read the same thing I read somewhere about Ferrari altering the molecular structure of fuel so it is lighter?
Pat...
LMAO...
its on tonight isnt it? 0100 GMT qualifying in OZ.
looking forward to it anyway...
shu sucks cos he makes it boring.
its almost certain that ferrari will win again - stuff about other being close is said every year and they still win by 2 - 3 miles.
F1 is a defective product
atb
steve
You can get just over 2/1 at Betfair for a MS Aus GP win - best odds you will get all season before qualifying. He will romp away, no current driver
has better resources or better ability to adapt to unfavourable conditions than he.
Please dont remind me of this thread when you have done your money!
Thats the beauty of having one identity for two people. (Both can edit posts!!!!)
Schumacher doesn't make F1 boring at all. Are you suggesting he should lose a few times just to liven things up? Never. He is a born winner
IMHO
quote:
Schumacher doesn't make F1 boring at all.
Sorry but IMHO Shuey is a robot. dull boring and uninteresting. my goldfish has more charisma! best driver?? hmm best car certainly........
quote:
Originally posted by scotlad
Sorry but IMHO Shuey is a robot. dull boring and uninteresting. my goldfish has more charisma!
i dont think it is a case of michal doing anything wrong, but more the fault of the F***ing Incompetent A**holes (FIA) as my phycis teacher puts
it
quote:
Originally posted by scotlad
Sorry but IMHO Shuey is a robot. dull boring and uninteresting. my goldfish has more charisma!
when i was a kid i used to love scooby doo episodes.
when i was older, i realised that every damn episode was the same.
just like f1
atb
steve
'if it wasnt for you pesky schumachers.....'
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Thats the beauty of having one identity for two people. (Both can edit posts!!!!)
Schumacher doesn't make F1 boring at all. Are you suggesting he should lose a few times just to liven things up? Never. He is a born winner IMHO
F1 is the cutting edge of motorsport or at least it would be if it was not so restricted. The problem is that the technology is getting too good, the
cars drive them self with the driver guiding it round the track, spending most of the time in near black out.
Theres such a welth of motor sport out there, and all we get on normal TV is F1 and a bit of rallying. Its either late at night or a vary rare ocasion
that we get any other motorsport on TV.
Anyone else hear that, to keep Ferrari in F1, Bernies bunch are paying them
£70,000,000
over 5 years.
Thats fair. It also puts about 50 quid on the price of a ticket.
German Cobbler best driver ever. Absolutely not. Just very dull and incredibly arrogant. Oh year, and a bit lucky.
F1 sucks. BTCC/bike racing far superior.
If they want to make it interesting, bring back turbos, gearboxes (ones with a stick shift), proper slicks. Cars don't need to be safer - the
tracks have fixed that bit.
ATB
Simon
I too read about Ferrari using a fuel from Shell that is lighter per part than what other teams use. Ferrari are in a unique position where they have
a very strong team allied with an excellent budget and a number one driver that is obviously faster than the number two. This means that they can cut
off the CWC and DWC by sacrificing Barrichello's position in the championship, showing that this is the most effective way to dominate the
series. If you look to previous years where team mates that are just as quick as each other in dominant teams have been allowed to take points from
each other throughout the season, it has sometimes resulted in the championship being lost to another team. Prost and Senna as well as Mansell and
Piquet are some of the examples of this. Like i said, Ferrari cutting off the Driver World Championship is the most effective way to win it, even if
it isn't the most exciting.
As for engineers in the pit lane driving the cars, this couldn't be further from the truth. As we know technology cannot be uninvented and
information cannot be unlearned.And the reason drivers like Raikkonen can enter the sport and be so fast so quickly is not because he has traction
control or a paddle gearshift, but becasuse the worlds understanding of race car dynamics is so comprehensive that year upon year cars handling and
understanding improves beyond what stood previously. We're too clever for our own good.
Personally i have seen bike races and the WRC but they don't do anything for me. Why don't we hear anyone whining about Rossi's
domination of Moto GP?
I agree with some posters on one thing though, A1GP should be very exiting and a welcome addition to an otherwise dull off season. It will do alot for
motorsport worldwide, firing up inter country rivalries. Even though very few people take part in athletics look at the support the Olympics produces.
Look at how England is when the World Cup is on (usually until the semi's anyway) A1GP is onto a winner. Surtees is backing the UK squad and in
my opinion the best candidate for the drive is Ralph Firman but we shall have to wait and see.
quote:
Why don't we hear anyone whining about Rossi's domination of Moto GP?
The reason noboy hears about bikes in the main stream is because some people at ITV are doing a very good job of getting money for old rope, aka
F1.
As for WRC, just look at the rally of great britan, in the 1970/80's it covered most of england and wales. in the 90's it shrunk to the
'rally of wales', and know its barely the 'rally of south wales' and barely lasts a weekend.
No wonder it doesn't make good TV, theres practicaly nothing to fill a TV prog.
but no ones mentioned the qualifying yet?!?! he got wiped out... 
Because it rained.
all part of the entertainment!
is there still 2 qualifyings this year? or is that a final race start position?
2nd qualifying on the morning of race day so we dont get to see it the times from both sessions are added to give the grid positions.
Given the difference between the current times, wouldn't expect there to be much change in relation to grid positions after tomorrows second qualifying.
move the dec point one or two places and thats the kinda amount shu wins by
wouldnt a win by
Australia.Rossi won by 0.097sec
by somehting that wasnt arranged with the other ferrari be a novelty
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
quote:
Why don't we hear anyone whining about Rossi's domination of Moto GP?
Last 10 MotoGP results;
Valencia. Rossi won by 0.425sec
Australia.Rossi won by 0.097sec
Malasia. Rossi won by 3.666sec
Qatar. Gibernau won by 1.315sec.
Japan. Tamada won by 6.186sec.
Portugal. Rossi won by 5.111sec.
Chech. Gibernau won by 3.514sec.
GB. Rossi won by 2.945sec.
Germany. Biaggi won by 0.349sec.
Brazil. Tamada won by 2.019sec.
The championship was open up until the last two races, hardly the same as the Schumacher whitewash.
Well, are we going to see mass redundancy in the pit lane?
The sight of all those machanics doing bu**er all was strange.
And, will we get just ten cars cross the finish line in future races,
or will the FIA close that little loophole?
I'm not a DC fan, but well done David.
Paul G
well that was slightly more interesting than watching my socks dry,have to agree about bikes tho,more overtakes in 1 lap than a whole F1 season.
As conrod says, the lead can change several times in one lap in motoGP, where in F1 it changes a few times in a race, and usually in the pitlane.
I will probably watch most the F1 races this season, as i am still interested in it. Its just a shame that the only thing you can get excited about
anymore is if a driver is going to get out the pitlane in time to regain his place. Last season i thought there was some good racing, but normally
behind the front one or two, the ferraris normally went out in front then the rest were left to race for the remaining positions while schumacher was
left for a nice sunday drive on his own. Its just a same all the tv directors always showed the ferraris not doing much and only occaisionally showed
the realy racing going on.
The A1 GP does look interesting, its what the sport needs really, a championship to to and rival F1, might give the FIA the kick up the arse that it
needs and start listening to what the fans want.
I think the reason no one complains about Rossi is as someone said the races are never 1 way, there is always overtaking down to the last lap, and
over taking can happen everywhere on the track, in F1 there is usually a couple of corners where they can overtake usually where they can outbrake
each other.
Also Rossi is a genuinely great rider, his move last season to Yamaha was like schumacher going to a mid level team like Jag, he did take all of his
mechanics with him, but Schumi couldnt do the same and win the champioship in his first season with them. And still it was another great season.
And what a great personallity as well! He truly loves what he does and he loves the fans as much as they love him. All hail the doctor i say, and show
more coverage of moto gp on tv. I never been to a race, but the british round at donnington is near my 21st birthday, so im going to go as a treat to
myself!
but will A1gp ever be shown on TV? bernie wont allow it,i heard he wont allow tracks that host his baby to run anything that will compete with him so
you will be left with small indipendant tracks that are not owned by him/not owned by a co that owns a track that GP,s are held at etc.
he is a selfish midget determined on world domination of motorsport and will do his upmost to strangle it.
as for rossi,he is the master,1st time in a GP car was within 1 sec of schuie at fiorano (sp)
[Edited on 6/3/05 by theconrodkid]
Not only that, he tried to get into snooker years ago but he was not well enough connected. He's never done anything to me but I also have that opinon of him. He did rise from humbler beginnings but it doesn't make him any more appealing. I watched Brundle trying to talk to him in the pit lane at a race last year and getting the back of his head and I thought then what an asshole. He doesn't do himself any favours, but then again he doesn't need to. I can only say I don't envy his principles as much as his money (and girlfriend)
Ah give it a few years and we'll all remember this as one of F1's golden era's.
Mark
F1 ok
As for Ferrari wining so what thay work hard and lets not for get the years that shewe put in helping turn ferrari round. To watch a team at the top
of its game so much so that they are in a different league. Lets hope the opposition step up and take it from them. Think of the feeling taking the
champion ship from the all conquering Ferrari.
As the rules to f1 are so restrictive i.e. no 6 wheals cars and other interesting things we are left with software and electronics witch unfortunately
cant been seen by most or even appreciated for the engineering in them.
The racing will never be close in F1 until the aro is significantly changed so that cars can get close together i.e. flaps on rear wings ala champ
cars.
Also as for the cars being easy to drive I would like to see what most of us would do a lap of spar in with a nice dry track. Then lets see who is
adjusting break balance, diff settings, shift revs, clutch profile, and all the oher systems while talking to the pits. All the drivers do during
testing/ racing.
F1 may not be the hardest or best to watch but lets not take away from the technical achievement of the cars and the ability of the drivers.
So while Ferrari may win again this year we will get them some time and it is +1 to the opersition to day
i agree with blake about the driving being hard work - any one of us wouldn't be able to see past the puke rolling around inside our helmets
after one fast corner, nevermind an hours race.
They the F1 drivers are certainly better than most by a long way, they wouldn't be there if they wern't and for that they deserve credit.
That does not mean that F1 is the best spectator motorsport despite having the best drivers.
Wipe out Hahahahahahahaha
Long may it continue
Another thing - why did Ferrari object to Minardi using last years car, when they did?
ATB
Simon
personly I think that f1 is not a good spectator event however. I still like it
if thay whany a better spectator event thay need more overtaking witch will require some resnobly radical aro rule changes
Apart from the sheer skill requirements!
I was told a story about a neighbour of a friend (yeh - I know...) who was a race mechanic. Him and a driver friend saved up and bought a 2 or 3 year
old F1 car (this was over 15 years ago). Got it on a track, the mechanic did some work and decided to run it round the track to see if it was OK.
First start he did a 360 when he lifted the clutch. He got going, but stuffed it into the armco a few turns later - several thousand Pounds-worth of
damage. He decided to stick to being a mechanic after that! This was someone who had raced at club level in saloons and specials.
DJ
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
i agree with blake about the driving being hard work - any one of us wouldn't be able to see past the puke rolling around inside our helmets after one fast corner, nevermind an hours race.
quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Another thing - why did Ferrari object to Minardi using last years car, when they did?
Simon
also minardy turned up with all the bits to make the car legal for this yers regulations the sceptic in me says publisity stunt.