Well there are several kits on my list to view at the Stoneleigh Kit Car Show. Quite varied styles really. But one that I keep going back to and yet I
haven't seen much information about is the Tiger HS6. I think it is absolutely gorgeous!
Tiger HS6 Front
Tiger HS6 Rear
Has anyone built one or do you own one? If yes what is your drivetrain? What is the quality of the kit like? Any info really that will give me some
pointers/things to look out for before I go to Stoneleigh.
By the way high BHP isn't on my shopping list, more the character: )
Simon
If you like this then have a look at the batho alloy seven kits. http://bathoscars.simpl.com
I would keep it periodish with a xflow or maybe a Lancia/fiat 1600 twin cam or as the tiger site says a spitfire engine (1500?)..
This may also be of interest - spitfire based corsa spider https://www.corsaspyder.com/t48-details
Or the pembleton - http://www.pembleton.co.uk
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Originally posted by Ugg10
If you like this then have a look at the batho alloy seven kits. http://bathoscars.simpl.com
I would keep it periodish with a xflow or maybe a Lancia/fiat 1600 twin cam or as the tiger site says a spitfire engine (1500?)..
This may also be of interest - spitfire based corsa spider https://www.corsaspyder.com/t48-details
Or the pembleton - http://www.pembleton.co.uk
Tiger has normally an extensive stand. IIRC they had the HS6 with them for the last couple of years.
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Originally posted by ettore bugatti
Tiger has normally an extensive stand. IIRC they had the HS6 with them for the last couple of years.
Tiger did do an all alloy car but I think it was a version of the r6. Not cheap though.
[Edited on 19/3/17 by Ugg10]
I don't think Tiger have an HS6 demonstrator at the moment, but they sometimes use completed customers cars to show to prospective customers.
One of their customers built one with GRP panels and has progressively replaced them with aluminium panels.
Engine choice is interesting. The Ford sidevalve would be authentic, but very slow. The Ford pre-crossflow would still be 'period' but
more powerful. The Lotus Seven series 1 was offered with the BMC 'A' series. Tuning knowledge for these is extensive, but they can be
expensive to make powerful.
Finally, how about a Coventry Climax engine? Fire pumps (using the FW engine, I believe) often appear on eBay. The can be converted to automotive
use with a bit of ingenuity (and expense!) to effectively become an FWA.
http://http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coventry-Climax-Engine-Godiva-Fire-Water-Pump-/282398511253?hash=item41c0435095:g:recAAOSwOgdYof6j
Coventry Climax Engine Godiva Fire Water Pump
quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
Tiger did do an all alloy car but I think it was a version of the r6. Not cheap though.
Yes the RS6 and it does look very nice but as you say the price is quite expensive. The MB1 scores better in the pricing.
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Originally posted by softfeet
I don't think Tiger have an HS6 demonstrator at the moment, but they sometimes use completed customers cars to show to prospective customers.
One of their customers built one with GRP panels and has progressively replaced them with aluminium panels.
Engine choice is interesting. The Ford sidevalve would be authentic, but very slow. The Ford pre-crossflow would still be 'period' but more powerful. The Lotus Seven series 1 was offered with the BMC 'A' series. Tuning knowledge for these is extensive, but they can be expensive to make powerful.
Finally, how about a Coventry Climax engine? Fire pumps (using the FW engine, I believe) often appear on eBay. The can be converted to automotive use with a bit of ingenuity (and expense!) to effectively become an FWA.
That is very interesting about the fire pump. I'm not sure I'd go that way as it is a period looking car I would really want to try and get an age(ish) related plate although I'm aware that there are many advantages to having a Q plate.
I'm guessing that probably the Spitfire route would be the easiest and cheapest way to go, if I did go for the HS6?
All food for thought: )
softfeet - 21/3/17 at 11:26 AMYou could build it with a Spitfire engine to get an age related plate and then put a Coventry Climax engine in later...
Here is a short film of a fire pump engine being converted to automotive use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI8G0a2eWKo
ettore bugatti - 21/3/17 at 05:40 PMImp engine have been bolted to spitfire gearboxes before and is related to Climax.
BrumBrum - 22/3/17 at 08:47 AMApparently Tiger aren't producing HS6's at the moment.
alfas - 22/3/17 at 11:05 AMi owned a HS6 for 3 years.....was factory built by tiger and one of their first demo cars. (came with 1050cc spitfire engine & gearbox, spit uprights front, VW steering, rear axle ford, converted to disc brakes with welded-on(!!) discs)
the car was extremely small inside. passenger side was for a slim 15 or 16y old...and the driver should be slim as well (jeans size 29-30inch)
BrumBrum - 22/3/17 at 11:41 AMUhmm... welded on discs, that sounds interesting.
How you describe the size it may well be too small for me. Size is one of the things I need to get my head round at Stoneleigh as there are several cars I fancy and it is whether or not I'll fit... 5' 11" 85Kg.
Other than the welded on discs and size, did you enjoy it?
alfas - 22/3/17 at 01:28 PMthe car was fun to drive....dont expect a rocket with an old spitfire engine...overdrive gearbox was a great advantage.
it also was a viewers-"magnet" on every meeting.
i later converted the car to a slightly tuned 1300cc engine.
anyway:
the original engine and box where leaking oil like hell, the gearlever was moved further backwards by using 2 triumph gearbox extensions, cut in the middle and botched togehter with some fibreglass.(!!)
the engine was positioned in the enginebay that the front carb could not be run with any trumpet nor any airfilter.
no trumpets on SU carbs, that doesnt work. luckily i found some quite short trumpets which i modified. during engine change i could slightly re-postion the engine without touching the mounts.
the boot compartment was OSB wood which was cut out using the 3rd teeth of somebodies grandma, than covered with a carpet which was cut by a dull scissor.
the rear springs/shocks had the wrong length as rebound was limited by a chassis-member.
welded brake discs
so some interesting "masterpieces" of engineering.
the chassis is , imo, wrongly desinged in terms of inside space and width of propshaft-tunnel area of chassis.
i am 172cm and around 70kg and it was a snug fit.
[Edited on 22/3/17 by alfas]
BrumBrum - 22/3/17 at 03:35 PMquote:
Originally posted by alfas
the car was fun to drive....dont expect a rocket with an old spitfire engine...overdrive gearbox was a great advantage.
it also was a viewers-"magnet" on every meeting.
i later converted the car to a slightly tuned 1300cc engine.
anyway:
the original engine and box where leaking oil like hell, the gearlever was moved further backwards by using 2 triumph gearbox extensions, cut in the middle and botched togehter with some fibreglass.(!!)
the engine was positioned in the enginebay that the front carb could not be run with any trumpet nor any airfilter.
no trumpets on SU carbs, that doesnt work. luckily i found some quite short trumpets which i modified. during engine change i could slightly re-postion the engine without touching the mounts.
the boot compartment was OSB wood which was cut out using the 3rd teeth of somebodies grandma, than covered with a carpet which was cut by a dull scissor.
the rear springs/shocks had the wrong length as rebound was limited by a chassis-member.
welded brake discs
so some interesting "masterpieces" of engineering.
the chassis is , imo, wrongly desinged in terms of inside space and width of propshaft-tunnel area of chassis.
i am 172cm and around 70kg and it was a snug fit.
Thanks for a bit of insight, sounds like quite an interesting experience! Perhaps I won't go for one of their builds!
I can understand the HS6 being a popular car on the meetings and that's the bit of me that wants people to enquire what car it is... I've always enjoyed boring the pants off people
striker1660 - 22/3/17 at 09:02 PMSimon, i went through this process. The seating is very narrow even when they revised the chassis and got another 1" wider. It seems Tiger doesn't wan't to change anything. i actually couldn't sit in the seat unfortunately. i did go out with the the guy local to tiger and it was great if you fit in.
BrumBrum - 23/3/17 at 06:38 AMquote:
Originally posted by striker1660
Simon, i went through this process. The seating is very narrow even when they revised the chassis and got another 1" wider. It seems Tiger doesn't wan't to change anything. i actually couldn't sit in the seat unfortunately. i did go out with the the guy local to tiger and it was great if you fit in.
It seems that so many of the cars that try to have a hint of history about them are on the small side and unfortunately it is that small, lightweight look that I like. I can appreciate the looks of something like a cobra (which wouldn't be a problem size wise) but it just isn't me, having said that maybe a 289 would work.
I think Stoneleigh is going to be a bit of a Cinderella story... keep trying until I find something I like and fits (oh and I can afford).
alfas - 23/3/17 at 11:11 AMif you want somethign "retro" a MEV Replicar might be interesting? (even, imo, the proportions of that car arent correct)
or do you prefer more the seven-ish style cars?
also interesting an Auston Healy remake based on a locost:
Healey body conversion kit Locost 7 To Build Kit Car ,Indy ,Caterham , Westfield
Toys2 - 23/3/17 at 11:25 AMHow about a Lotus 23 replica if you want something different?
I've got a part built Auriga 23 which is a Lee Noble design, I plan to get round to it....sometime
I see Tiger have listed one on ebay
NEW TIGER ERA 30 - HISTORIC LOTUS 23B TRIBUTE - KIT CAR - FINANCE- NO RESERVE!
I always thought that Tiger were a good company, though I have read some negative comments about poor quality and customer care??
BrumBrum - 23/3/17 at 12:04 PMquote:
Originally posted by alfas
if you want somethign "retro" a MEV Replicar might be interesting? (even, imo, the proportions of that car arent correct)
or do you prefer more the seven-ish style cars?
also interesting an Auston Healy remake based on a locost:
Healey body conversion kit Locost 7 To Build Kit Car ,Indy ,Caterham , Westfield
I've not seen the MEV Replicar before, looks nice at first glance... one more to add to the list to look at.
Austin Healey replicas are a no for me as a mate is on restoring his second 3000, just wouldn't feel right: )
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Originally posted by Toys2
How about a Lotus 23 replica if you want something different?
I've got a part built Auriga 23 which is a Lee Noble design, I plan to get round to it....sometime
I see Tiger have listed one on ebay
NEW TIGER ERA 30 - HISTORIC LOTUS 23B TRIBUTE - KIT CAR - FINANCE- NO RESERVE!
I always thought that Tiger were a good company, though I have read some negative comments about poor quality and customer care??
I do like the Lotus 23's and have seen the one on ebay but it is probably just bad timing for me as I'll do Stoneleigh before I start rushing in bidding.
How come you haven't got around to building the Auriga 23 yet? What power are you going to use for it?
BrumBrum - 23/3/17 at 12:30 PMquote:
Originally posted by alfas
if you want somethign "retro" a MEV Replicar might be interesting? (even, imo, the proportions of that car arent correct)
Just spent a few minutes looking at the MEV Replicar and you are right the proportions are wrong but as a nod to the DBR1 it does have something about it. I do like the fact that it isn't just a rebody but utilises a lot of the donor car.
Definitely food for thought.
TimC - 23/3/17 at 01:11 PMHS6 would be my next build - but would have bespoke IRS and a 3-pot Toyota, possibly with TTS SC. But I'll never build another.
If you want retro, have you thought about a Gemini?
Toys2 - 23/3/17 at 03:18 PMquote:
Originally posted by BrumBrum
I do like the Lotus 23's and have seen the one on ebay but it is probably just bad timing for me as I'll do Stoneleigh before I start rushing in bidding.
How come you haven't got around to building the Auriga 23 yet? What power are you going to use for it?
I bought it something like 15 years ago, it's one of my dream cars and it was an opportunity that I couldn't miss. I bought it from an ex Auriga employee
The normal thing though, work, kids and all the other stuff got in the way
I changed jobs 3 years ago and have a bit more free time (less money though) bought a cheap, running Sylva Striker as a well deserved toy, with the plan to get on with the 23 as time permits
It's now actually stored upright against the garage wall whilst I do some jobs on the Striker
At the moment the chassis is paneled, the steering, front suspension and wheels are on, it looks like an expensive wheel barrow!!!
I have all of the main bits, the rear uprights are a work of art in cast alloy. I have the bodywork and even the perspex aero screens (as per the Tiger picture)
Basically it's brand new, no donor parts other than an Alfa Romeo transaxle, so my plan is to go for a new registration using a new Zetec engine
The original used either the Coventry Climax or the Lotus Twin Cam, so I think a Zetec with a replica cam cover would look very good
Something like this, though with "Lotus" of course
BrumBrum - 23/3/17 at 09:20 PMToy's you are very lucky lad Sylva Striker and a Lotus 23 to play with!
So you've got more time than you used to have, the weather is improving and you've got the main bits... I'm looking forward to seeing it!
Ugg10 - 23/3/17 at 10:28 PMTiger era30
NEW TIGER ERA 30 - HISTORIC LOTUS 23B TRIBUTE - KIT CAR - FINANCE- NO RESERVE!
BrumBrum - 24/3/17 at 12:39 PMquote:
Originally posted by TimC
If you want retro, have you thought about a Gemini?
I went to Autotune today (as it is fairly local) to have a look at a Gemini and had a chat with the family. Unfortunately the Gemini wasn't accessible though Richard did show me a Falcon which had been restored (which they had for sale following someone doing the dirty on them) and is what the Gemini is based on.
Quite a nice design, photos don't do it justice. Positives: it would be local and I get the feeling they would be very helpful. Negatives: Escort mk1/2 based, not the same level of support available from other builders are there are with some of the more popular designs out there.
I wouldn't rule it out though at this point.
I'm sure Richard said they were taking 10 cars including a Gemini to Stoneleigh.
Ugg10 - 24/3/17 at 02:09 PMI would not worry about escort mk1/2 support, there is a large classic car community over on Turbosport forum with a number of suppliers for these cars. Many of the bits that would be on this car (running gear, brakes, axles, engine, gearbox etc.) are also compatible with Cortina, corsair and capri's so a number of sources still available. Lots of performance parts if you wish to upgrade at a later stage - 1700xflow, LSD, four pot brakes etc.
David Jenkins - 24/3/17 at 03:38 PMRe Escort Mk1 & 2 parts - a Burtons catalogue is your friend!
TimC - 24/3/17 at 06:18 PMquote:
Originally posted by BrumBrum
quote:
Originally posted by TimC
If you want retro, have you thought about a Gemini?
I went to Autotune today (as it is fairly local) to have a look at a Gemini and had a chat with the family. Unfortunately the Gemini wasn't accessible though Richard did show me a Falcon which had been restored (which they had for sale following someone doing the dirty on them) and is what the Gemini is based on.
Quite a nice design, photos don't do it justice. Positives: it would be local and I get the feeling they would be very helpful. Negatives: Escort mk1/2 based, not the same level of support available from other builders are there are with some of the more popular designs out there.
I wouldn't rule it out though at this point.
I'm sure Richard said they were taking 10 cars including a Gemini to Stoneleigh.
There aren't dozens of us Gemini builders around but there are a few, like myself, 'Gemini' and 'emlyno' on here that have done it fairly recently.
You could build a Gemini with 100% new components if you wanted to. You don't need to use any Escort - they offer a Sierra diff-based IRS option too.
In terms of the Taylors and the support they offer, I've had decent dealings with RAW, Martin Keenan, MNR etc over the years but would much rather deal with Autotune. Don't underestimate them either - Richard and Anthony REALLY know what they are doing and Carolyn is great at co-ordinating things.