following on from my thread a couple of weeks ago
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=126461

So now this fantastic government thinks saving £400million by cutting further education and fining universities £3700 for every extra student it takes on over the allocated numbers BUT then piling extra millions more into the work shy benefit giveaway!!!

Reward the spongers and punish the potential people who are needed to fund the ever growing non contributing population

Congratulations! It must have taken some doing on (this forum), but you win the award for the most small minded, half witted, thoroughly offensive post on here. Well done.

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Originally posted by Anne Onymous
, but you win the award for the most small minded, half witted, thoroughly offensive post on here. Well done.

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What is the point of educating people when there aren't the jobs? Unemployment is rising more people are signing on the money has to come from somewhere.

Paul

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Originally posted by Cousin Cleotis
What is the point of educating people when there aren't the jobs? Unemployment is rising more people are signing on the money has to come from somewhere.

Paul

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But you can't stop educating people because unemployment has reached critical mass.
Obesity has reached a higher level, so do we stop producing food.

In my mind its more to do with 'cause and effect'. If unemployment is too high find out why and remedy that. Its probably more to do with the way our industry has been shafted over the years.

Too many people, not enough jobs. So either create more jobs, or reduce the number of people. The solution offered above dose neither, it just means the number of people without jobs are uneducated. Great, just what we need.

But to stop or limit education seems ridiculous to me.

Yes there are a shortage of jobs... but we still need well educated graudates to fill those areas that need workers... and we will eventually pull out of this hole.... when we do we need more trained people and less dossers...

By the posts above I get the impression that you are resigned to collecting benefits and have no aspirations to go and learn new skills.. Joy!


On a different note... why do I get the feeling the gov will cut funding for "proper degrees" IE medicine, engineering etc.... and not touch the pointless "media football" degrees....

[Edited on 23/12/09 by tegwin]

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Originally posted by UncleFista
I read a few months ago that the government want half of all school leavers to go on to get a degree.

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i'll ignore the first post as its been posted by someone without the bollox to do it under their own login or just a randomn halfwit.

Not sure if my post came across correctly, I agree we have to cut spending to get us out of debt, and if further education or even (god forbid) NHS, Policing etc then i can accept it, but not when spending is increased on the biggest single flawed system draining this countries budget!

Everybody has a right to their opinion, the first poster is obviously a d**k head for being so rude about a regular poster, shame they cannot be blocked somehow

the first reply may have been from someone who has recently lost their job... there are a few regularls on this forum- and if so then I don't blame them for not using their regular login as they are having a rough enough time already without having to put up with someone calling them "work shy" or "spongers"

I dont disagree with the original post though - its not the best use for a government who are skint - but to be fair I bet its only tiny compared to how much Britain is spending on medeling in other countries domestic situations....

There's no doubt that there is an obscene amount of money wasted in higher education, much of it on courses that have no application to the world of work (history of art, engilsh literature, medieval studies etc etc) and that many students treat their three years as a sort of holiday.

The only way the government can get universities to focus on what is really important and what isn't is to reduce the funds.

unis should charge more for less useful courses, so proper degrees should be well subsidised, but something like 'surf studies' (from plymouth apparently) should be paid from the students pocket.

Cant comment on the benefits system changes, as i dont know what aspect has changed. However, theres definately scope for saving money in there somewhere!

Dangle, I think there's a distinct line that needs to be drawn between those who are currently out of work and need to claim benefits (ie, those who have made a significant contribution to the system already and will be working again as soon as they can), and those who sponge off the system withour any intention of making any contribution to society in general (never mind the government coffers).

I don't know everyone on this forum in person, but I would be willing to wager that by the very nature of the hobby that brings people here, they are unlikely to be the work shy types!

With regard to education, the reason the government would want people to stay in education is to keep them off the unemployed stats - at least until the economy starts up again and there's jobs once more.

There's been some talk of cutting the costs through reducing the length of a degree course. I think the best wayt o do this is to get rid of summer holidays and just stick a 2 week break in there instead. That way you could squeeze 3 semesters into a year rather than 2.

That would reduce the cost of eductaion to the students/parents rather than the state, which IMHO is more important than cutting government budgets. There's been far too much baling out of institutions/banks and cutting of budgets to fund the bale outs. All the while, those who pay taxes are suffering and the only return/support we all receive is the dole money we get when our employers/businesses fail and put us out of work.

Thanks Stevie, your absolutly right- I think the original post lumped everyone in as a waster if on benefits - which as you pointed out is not the case.

Maybe someone was having an understandably bad day and took things the wrong way. hence the reply.

I was just pointing it out, as everyone was getting mad about the reply, and figured I'd try and give a possible reason.

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Originally posted by StevieB
Dangle, I think there's a distinct line that needs to be drawn between those who are currently out of work and need to claim benefits (ie, those who have made a significant contribution to the system already and will be working again as soon as they can), and those who sponge off the system withour any intention of making any contribution to society in general (never mind the government coffers).

I don't know everyone on this forum in person, but I would be willing to wager that by the very nature of the hobby that brings people here, they are unlikely to be the work shy types!

With regard to education, the reason the government would want people to stay in education is to keep them off the unemployed stats - at least until the economy starts up again and there's jobs once more.

There's been some talk of cutting the costs through reducing the length of a degree course. I think the best wayt o do this is to get rid of summer holidays and just stick a 2 week break in there instead. That way you could squeeze 3 semesters into a year rather than 2.

That would reduce the cost of eductaion to the students/parents rather than the state, which IMHO is more important than cutting government budgets. There's been far too much baling out of institutions/banks and cutting of budgets to fund the bale outs. All the while, those who pay taxes are suffering and the only return/support we all receive is the dole money we get when our employers/businesses fail and put us out of work.

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Originally posted by Dangle_kt
Thanks Stevie, your absolutly right- I think the original post lumped everyone in as a waster if on benefits - which as you pointed out is not the case.

Maybe someone was having an understandably bad day and took things the wrong way. hence the reply.

I was just pointing it out, as everyone was getting mad about the reply, and figured I'd try and give a possible reason.

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Originally posted by StevieB
Dangle, I think there's a distinct line that needs to be drawn between those who are currently out of work and need to claim benefits (ie, those who have made a significant contribution to the system already and will be working again as soon as they can), and those who sponge off the system withour any intention of making any contribution to society in general (never mind the government coffers).

I don't know everyone on this forum in person, but I would be willing to wager that by the very nature of the hobby that brings people here, they are unlikely to be the work shy types!

With regard to education, the reason the government would want people to stay in education is to keep them off the unemployed stats - at least until the economy starts up again and there's jobs once more.

There's been some talk of cutting the costs through reducing the length of a degree course. I think the best wayt o do this is to get rid of summer holidays and just stick a 2 week break in there instead. That way you could squeeze 3 semesters into a year rather than 2.

That would reduce the cost of eductaion to the students/parents rather than the state, which IMHO is more important than cutting government budgets. There's been far too much baling out of institutions/banks and cutting of budgets to fund the bale outs. All the while, those who pay taxes are suffering and the only return/support we all receive is the dole money we get when our employers/businesses fail and put us out of work.

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Oh and i've had a bad few days, so using this rant as a bit of a venting tool!!

What I find really annoying is the amount of vacancies there are out there and people refusing the work because "its not really what they want to do" oh to be able to be so choosey. Ive just witnessed someone refusing to attend an interview for a £27k job because it could take and hour to get there on a bad day

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Originally posted by StevieB
That way you could squeeze 3 semesters into a year rather than 2.

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Originally posted by Confused but excited.

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Originally posted by StevieB
That way you could squeeze 3 semesters into a year rather than 2.

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Now that would be an achievment.

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There's been some talk of cutting the costs through reducing the length of a degree course. I think the best wayt o do this is to get rid of summer holidays and just stick a 2 week break in there instead. That way you could squeeze 3 semesters into a year rather than 2.

That would reduce the cost of eductaion to the students/parents rather than the state, which IMHO is more important than cutting government budgets. There's been far too much baling out of institutions/banks and cutting of budgets to fund the bale outs. All the while, those who pay taxes are suffering and the only return/support we all receive is the dole money we get when our employers/businesses fail and put us out of work.

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