What should his punishment be?
What a complete tool this guy is on the cool down lap! Race ban for sure!!
Not a Hamilton fan but I would have to agree, come down on Pastor hard to make a point, race ban!
[Edited on 27/8/11 by phoenix70]
Yeah send him home ---- don't even allow him in the pit & paddock area, also refer him to the FIA to let them consider more sever punishment.
And give me his motorhome when he is binned.....
OK, for those of us in the back, what 'appened?
Maldonado deliberately crashed into Lewis Hamilton on an in lap after Hamilton squeezed by him when both were on a hot lap.
Just because I'm a big Lewis fan - 2 race ban.
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Originally posted by RK
OK, for those of us in the back, what 'appened?
Give him a medal i say.
5 Place grid penalty!
Autosport Link
Seems a little.... light!
This explanation is a load of bo11ocks to anyone that saw it, how was Lewis at fault?????????
When asked by AUTOSPORT whether the second move had been deliberate retaliation, the Williams driver said: "No. It was a big moment.
"I tried to overtake him because he slowed down quite a lot. It's like a straight, but there's a turn and maybe at that moment he was
turning and I was a bit straight. It's difficult to say.
"There was not any reason for both drivers to do anything after the chequered flag. It's clear that there was a mistake on both sides.
Maldonado added that he had not spoken to Hamilton about either incident and that he was comfortable with what had happened initially at the chicane
as there was "no contact".
Hamilton was given a reprimand but receives no penalty. The stewards said both drivers were guilty of "causing a collision" and were
punished under article 16.1 of the regulations.
Not seen the incident but there seems to be a fair few comments like this one online
After listening to the BBC I though it was totally Maldonado fault and he was being totally dangerous......
After watching the event I have a totally different perspective.
Hamilton is ahead of Maldonado and weaving at him as they exchange words. After scaring Maldonado and forcing him to break Maldonado does the same
to Hamilton but Hamilton doesn't break and they collide!
Yes punish Maldonado but ... Hamilton too deserves to be punished for the incident .
Six of One, Half a Dozen of the other!
[Edited on 27/8/11 by CRAIGR]
That sounds like the first incident rather than the second...
Looked like Hamilton was driving well over to the left of the track and cruising, then was swiped deliberately.
Anyway more importantly Jensen is way down in 13th 
Hopefully the weather will be changeable tomorrow and we will see a repeat of Canada.
Lewis couldn't have gone any further left to avoid Maldonardo without putting himself on the grass - what utter boll*cks, but absolutely typical
of the blinkered & biased stewards!
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Originally posted by russbost
Lewis couldn't have gone any further left to avoid Maldonardo without putting himself on the grass - what utter boll*cks, but absolutely typical of the blinkered & biased stewards!
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Originally posted by CRAIGR
Hamilton is ahead of Maldonado and weaving at him as they exchange words. After scaring Maldonado and forcing him to break Maldonado does the same to Hamilton but Hamilton doesn't break and they collide!
Yes punish Maldonado but ... Hamilton too deserves to be punished for the incident .
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Originally posted by loggyboy
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Originally posted by CRAIGR
Hamilton is ahead of Maldonado and weaving at him as they exchange words. After scaring Maldonado and forcing him to break Maldonado does the same to Hamilton but Hamilton doesn't break and they collide!
Yes punish Maldonado but ... Hamilton too deserves to be punished for the incident .
No idea what session you were watching but must have been different to the one I saw.
Please read top of post which states "Not seen the incident but there seems to be a fair few comments like this one online "
loggyboy - 27/8/11 at 05:33 PM[qoute]Please read top of post which states "Not seen the incident but there seems to be a fair few comments like this one online "
Qoute as read
After listening to the BBC I though it was totally Maldonado fault and he was being totally dangerous......
After watching the event I have a totally different perspective.
Hamilton is ahead of Maldonado and weaving at him as they exchange words. After scaring Maldonado and forcing him to break Maldonado does the same
to Hamilton but Hamilton doesn't break and they collide!
Yes punish Maldonado but ... Hamilton too deserves to be punished for the incident .
Six of One, Half a Dozen of the other!
The guys conclusion remains.
Not sure how anyone can comment on something they've not seen!
The main thing is it should be an epic race with the top 3 next to eachother on the grid 
Anyone else think DohResta had a bit of a monk on in the post qually interview!
[Edited on 27/8/11 by Johneturbo]
Disgraceful level of stewarding in F1 as usual
Give him a medal i say.
+1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfm1M5kcGZ0
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Originally posted by metro6r4
Give him a medal i say.
+1
Can someone explain to me why there is so much anti-Hamilton feeling on here? I much prefer Jensen but have nothing against Lewis and you cannot deny (some silly mistakes aside) he is a talented young driver.
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Originally posted by david_hornet27
Can someone explain to me why there is so much anti-Hamilton feeling on here? I much prefer Jensen but have nothing against Lewis and you cannot deny (some silly mistakes aside) he is a talented young driver.
I don't get it either - it was him that rekindled my interest in F1.
An awesome, natural talent.
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
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Originally posted by david_hornet27
Can someone explain to me why there is so much anti-Hamilton feeling on here? I much prefer Jensen but have nothing against Lewis and you cannot deny (some silly mistakes aside) he is a talented young driver.
I'm a Lewis fan. i've never known another british driver have so much negative support.. i wonder what's so different about Lewis Hmmmm
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
quote:
Originally posted by david_hornet27
Can someone explain to me why there is so much anti-Hamilton feeling on here? I much prefer Jensen but have nothing against Lewis and you cannot deny (some silly mistakes aside) he is a talented young driver.
I'm a Lewis fan. i've never known another british driver have so much negative support.. i wonder what's so different about Lewis Hmmmm
If it is true that he has only been penalised 5 places or so - then what precident has that set?
Last race of the season and the two front runners in the championship are 5 points apart. How about the second placed drivers team mate taking a
side-swipe at the leader ? Wreck his car put him out of final qulaifying -- is that OK ?
In my opinion Maldonardo should be banned for the rest of this season and personally be made to pay for any damage to the Mclaren. If he has an issue
with Hamilton and the last chicane incident, then that is for the Stewards to sort out. Would have also helped if he was not parked in the middle of
the chicane, neither on or offline !!
You can't allow this to happen, it is not a race incident and was completely intentional. I dont care who hit who or who was to blame, no
favouritsim. But, you cannot allow them to start "ramming" each other.
I was really looking forward to LH coming into F1. But soon after arriving he became too much of a Billy-Big-Balls character and he's only got
worse. His "is it because I'm black" comment was the final straw for me. I can still appreciate his skills, but I've little time
for the man (sorry... boy!). He has a long way to go to repair the damage he's caused in the last few seasons. I hope he pulls it of and
becomes a great, but until then, he'll not get much support from me. It's Button and Di Resta that I'm rooting for!
And lets be honest... DC hardly got any support south of the border. He was constantly denigrated despite being one of the top 4 drivers on the
planet for 6 years or so.
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People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his career!
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Originally posted by designer
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People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his career!
Yes, Senna is revered, but he had it all. He raced, he was mischeivous, he was curteous all the time, gave time, and millions, to charity, had a magnetic personality, and was the GOAT of modern times, never to be seen again.
Nobody today and I'm afraid to say, never again, wil his sort be seen. The PR/marketing crowd will not let it!
I agree with the stewards decision.
I also think this is an early example of new drivers not taking any sh1t from Hamilton, he's very quickly gained a Senna/Schumacer reputation of
give way or have an accdent, and I think more and more people with the belief of incredible car safety are going to choose the accident option.
quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
I also think this is an early example of new drivers not taking any sh1t from Hamilton, he's very quickly gained a Senna/Schumacer reputation of give way or have an accdent, and I think more and more people with the belief of incredible car safety are going to choose the accident option.
Also agreed!
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Originally posted by locogeoff
quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
I also think this is an early example of new drivers not taking any sh1t from Hamilton, he's very quickly gained a Senna/Schumacer reputation of give way or have an accdent, and I think more and more people with the belief of incredible car safety are going to choose the accident option.
Watching the race, I rest my case ;-)
I'd agree with the majority... LH should have been looking in his mirrors!
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Originally posted by designer
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People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his career!
Yes, Senna is revered, but he had it all. He raced, he was mischeivous, he was curteous all the time, gave time, and millions, to charity, had a magnetic personality, and was the GOAT of modern times, never to be seen again.
Nobody today and I'm afraid to say, never again, wil his sort be seen. The PR/marketing crowd will not let it!
if he looked in his mirrors when the incident happend then he would have had to been looking in his mirrors mid way through the corner. they crashed
just as LH started to turn his wheel, so if he was looking in his mirrors he wouldnt be able to see where to go...
though i would agree if the incident happend 50 yards back
I don't see it that way... KK was slipstreaming LH for a good distance and LH should have seen it coming!
KK was almost level with LH BEFORE the entry to the corner. Are you telling me that LH wasn't able to see the slipstreaming and the move to his
nearside?
Clip Linky
Yet another driver smashes into Lewis Hamilton.
What is the Common denominator?
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Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by designer
quote:
People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his career!
Yes, Senna is revered, but he had it all. He raced, he was mischeivous, he was curteous all the time, gave time, and millions, to charity, had a magnetic personality, and was the GOAT of modern times, never to be seen again.
Nobody today and I'm afraid to say, never again, wil his sort be seen. The PR/marketing crowd will not let it!
Yup!
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Originally posted by loggyboy
Really - stewards saw it as a racing accident, which I largely agree. Allthough im no HUGE LH fan, im a fan none the less but the accident with Kobiashiwas nothing to do with him going for a half move or a 'get out my way or crash' maneuver, it was more Kobi than his fault IMO.
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Originally posted by locogeoff
If we give Lewis the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't know Kobyashi (sp?) was there then I agree it was a racing incident...
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
If we give Lewis the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't know Kobyashi (sp?) was there then I agree it was a racing incident...
I'd go a stage further and say that if LH didn't know KK was there, then he has no place on the F1 circuit!
) and said he thought he's left him enough room but obviously hadn't and accepted the blame, these guys deal in
millimetres at high speed with very little lateral or backwards vision. There does seem to be a strong anti Hamilton theme on here. I would make a few observations:
1) Hamilton did not make a definate move to the left. He was maintaining a straight line to the best turning point for the corner.
2) There is no possible advantage for Kobiyashi to have an outside overlap before the corner.
3) It is far easier for the following car to judge whether there is an overlap.
4) There is a general rule that it is the overtaking car that has the primary responsibility to avoid contact unless under a yellow flag.
I may be a bit rusty on the rules as it is about 30 years since I took to the track, but I think it was very generous of Hamilton to accept some
responsibility for the incident. It shows that he is maturing as a driver.
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Originally posted by plentywahalla
There does seem to be a strong anti Hamilton theme on here. I would make a few observations:
1) Hamilton did not make a definate move to the left. He was maintaining a straight line to the best turning point for the corner.
2) There is no possible advantage for Kobiyashi to have an outside overlap before the corner.
3) It is far easier for the following car to judge whether there is an overlap.
4) There is a general rule that it is the overtaking car that has the primary responsibility to avoid contact unless under a yellow flag.
I may be a bit rusty on the rules as it is about 30 years since I took to the track, but I think it was very generous of Hamilton to accept some responsibility for the incident. It shows that he is maturing as a driver.
I admit i'm not a Lewis fan, i dont doubt his talent but he's known to act like a spoilt brat when things go against him and down his own
team very quickly when mistakes are made, the team that bankrolled his whole career since he was a young boy, and the team he would drop in a heart
beat if Red Bull had come calling, but not because hes black as a couple of guys are hinting at on here
I don't think he's spoilt bratness, his loyalty to his team, or his colour has any relavance to the racing incidence with kobiyashi ... why
bring it up?
As I said, there seems to be an anti Hamilton theme on this forum.
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Originally posted by Gordy
I admit i'm not a Lewis fan, i dont doubt his talent but he's known to act like a spoilt brat when things go against him and down his own team very quickly when mistakes are made, the team that bankrolled his whole career since he was a young boy, and the team he would drop in a heart beat if Red Bull had come calling, but not because hes black as a couple of guys are hinting at on here
quote:
Originally posted by plentywahalla
There does seem to be a strong anti Hamilton theme on here. I would make a few observations:
1) Hamilton did not make a definate move to the left. He was maintaining a straight line to the best turning point for the corner.
2) There is no possible advantage for Kobiyashi to have an outside overlap before the corner.
3) It is far easier for the following car to judge whether there is an overlap.
4) There is a general rule that it is the overtaking car that has the primary responsibility to avoid contact unless under a yellow flag.
I may be a bit rusty on the rules as it is about 30 years since I took to the track, but I think it was very generous of Hamilton to accept some responsibility for the incident. It shows that he is maturing as a driver.
quote:I bring it up because you mentioned the anti Hamilton theme going on, and 'somebody' mentioned because he's 'different' from the other drivers, hinting that people that dont like Hamilton must dislike him because of his colour which i took offence to, please read earlier posts then you might understand why i 'brought it up'.
Originally posted by plentywahalla
I don't think he's spoilt bratness, his loyalty to his team, or his colour has any relavance to the racing incidence with kobiyashi ... why bring it up?
As I said, there seems to be an anti Hamilton theme on this forum.
Hamilton has actually admitted the crash was his fault now. Hard to dispute the TV evidence that he did drift slightly left before the right
hander.
But at least he acknowledged he was at fault and should have left more room.
It did appear that the both Hamilton and Button were woefully slow compared to others on the long straight, even with slip stream and DRS, they only
just seemed to get the job done. Perhaps that didnt help in this case, as I am sure that Hamilton was being caught by time he was approaching the
corner, not an excuse, just an observation really - Perhaps edging their bets for a wet race set-up.
Everyone seems tohave forgotten Schumacher.
He started the overly agressive driving style.
Remember, he has openly admitted that two of his F1 titles belonged to Damon Hill, and he(schumacher) only got the titles by ramming Damon.
Think about it.
Cheers,
Nev.
Apologies to Gordy ... I misunderstood his point.
Anybody criticising Hamilton needs to view the clip frame by frame. Shortly before the corner Kobiyashi's nearside front wheel is running along
the edge of the kerb. At the point of contact his nsf is a good 2 to 3 feet from the kerb. Also you can clearly see his front wheels are angled toward
Hamiltons car.
Kobyashi swerved into contact with Hamilton. Had he held his line there would have been no contact as Hamilton was looking to the apex and about to
start his turn. If necessary he should have put a wheel on the kerb rather than hit Hamilton.
Ultimately contact between the cars was entirely under Kobyashi's control. He put himself into a completely pointless position of an outside
overlap on a corner where the racing line does not allow for two cars, and then when he could have held his line and avoided contact he turned into
Hamilton.
Hamilton may not be the most admired personality in the sport, but that shouldn't be used to prejudge race incidents like this.
I do find it strange that anyone could dislike someone for coming into F1 and wanting to win/be successful ,after all he had won the 2005 F3 title
with 15 wins out of 20 and then won the GP2 title in 2006
fair play to him for believing in his talent, infact hammy fighting againt his then reigning world champion team mate made me repsect the guy even
more. how many rookies would have done that!?. or just been happy to be in F1 and play number 2.
If Hamilton never attempted any overtaking then people would say he is a boring driver , when he doe's overtake he is slagged off. He is a far better driver than all of the people on here slagging him off as he has proved, by winning an F1 championship IMHO
well the topics gone well past the title now, but my 2 penith worth is that in the kobyashi vs hamilton incident, no one seems to of observed the fact that kobyashi had no chance whatsoever of maintaining a lead on hamilton, the whole maneuver seems pointless other than a quick up yours to LH if successful before being inevitably passed.