ooops, I managed to get blank lines between the options. Can't edit the poll questions iether.
I know its "boring old fart" mode but some of our employers have sacked people for less and I do like (and am permitted) to use the web
during work hour and don't have the same "free time" when at home.
Not sure if a poll has been done before couldn't find one.
It has been mentioned in a post recently
recnet linky
and an older link
Older Linky
some avitars a not worksafe in the current harrassment and bullying age we live in.
Can we have a poll on what we should have as an acceptable avitar?
[Edited on 25/5/06 by ewanspence]
for work (financial) reasons I don't want anything that could be challenged by my employer.
this is a car site so I would prefer car avitars anyway, if I want porn I could do a google and find loads.
"old fart" maybe but quite like keeping my job and still browse during the day while at work.
[Edited on 25/5/06 by ewanspence]
I'm in 101% agreement with this.
I have the same agreement at work.
I have allready been pulled for this. Fortunately not by anyone who was going to do anything about it.
In the organisation I work I could be sacked. I know it's madness but thats the way it is and I would really like to keep my job just a little
longer.
Could not agree more laddie....
They are an unwelcome viewing on the worx computer.
And suggestions of blocking pix ect wont work cause you are banned from down loading software on the works machines......
It has been covered before with no self policing or change. My children often like to see what I'm doing on the net - and as I'm often on LB
just browsing I occasionally have to skip past a few of the more fruity ones - which I do object to.
It's a shame that some of us who frequent LB in their place of work will either loose their jobs or LB will be on the list of BARRED websites due
to political incorrectness.
I personally don't have a problem with it as it's all harmless fun - but I do resent my children being subject to it.
Steve
What's acceptable in one place of work, wouldnt be in another. Where I work in the summer they would have no objections to my avatars, but they would to someones like weldermans for instance....
Yep - totally agree. But there is a way around it. If you're using Firefox, you can install the AdBlocker and you can either :
- block individual Avatars (from memory there are only 2 or 3 regulars who have them)
- block all images from the site
- block all images coming from the /upload folder on this site.
HTH,
Tim
As a point of interest what are we proposing to do should the poll reveal that these avatars are unwanted?
Self policeing has been tried before, and whilst in the main it works there are some on here that simply ignore it.
I could probably succesfully argue at work that bikini clad was not offensive but I would seriously struggle with avatars like the one used by
Welderman.
Please can we ALL take responsibility for this this time?
It's not a case of being a "boring old fart"
It's a case of "respecting each other"
quote:
Originally posted by timmy
Yep - totally agree. But there is a way around it. If you're using Firefox, you can install the AdBlocker and you can either :
- block individual Avatars (from memory there are only 2 or 3 regulars who have them)
- block all images from the site
- block all images coming from the /upload folder on this site.
HTH,
Tim
Flat Monkey
At my work I would get pulled up (probably not sacked) even for your image should I get caught with it on my screen, even though it is a simple album
cover.
All employers should be using the same guidelines for what is acceptable but I guess it also depends on what sort of complaints (and unfair dismisal
court cases) they have from employees as to what they enforce.
We have 1500 employees in our site and 25000 worldwide so I ss they are just trying to keep everyone happy and not display something that may offend
anyone.
We have had numerous sacking for abuse of work computers for even downloading software or music and obviously xxx pictures.
I have no issue with these sort of thing at home (my wife would have though)
I've commented before and will do so again.
PLEASE STOP USING NON WORK SAFE AVATARS!
I love using this site, I love the community on here but I HATE the fact that the minority cause me to risk getting an official warning when i'm
at work.
One of the ideas about this site is its self policing and i'd love this to continue. The only way i can see this to work is if we do "self
police" and request the people who offend to stop. I know we're stopping someones personal expression here but for gods sake, we're a
car builders site not a soft porn producers site.
As for the idea of using a different browser - an even more serious offence, downloading and running un-authorised s/w. Instant dismissal.
quote:
Originally posted by timmy
- block all images coming from the /upload folder on this site.
HTH,
Tim
as usual the poll will be quite decisive, and as usual, the offending avatars never disappear...
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
What's acceptable in one place of work, wouldnt be in another. Where I work in the summer they would have no objections to my avatars, but they would to someones like weldermans for instance....
changed mine as well, just to be safe and keep everyone happy..... UNLESS you object to SEMI-NAKED pictures of my kit ?????
I use the site at work more than the at home, so if the numbers drop then that's shite. It's a pity that some employers are so annal that
you can't have a picture of a lovely lady in your avatar (you've got to admit that weldermans is superb).
I have a good calender behind my desk, Fluff n' Stuff (watch peoples faces during interviews 
) and a naked Kelly Brook on my desk top, I
suppose some may be offended, but I don't give a f**k.
I was thinking of changing my avatar, so for now I'll avoid any tits.
I'm quite happy to change mine if it causes that much greif! 
Maybe a little tall 
[Edited on 25/5/06 by flak monkey]
quote:
Originally posted by ewanspence
We have had numerous sacking for abuse of work computers for even downloading software or music and obviously xxx pictures.
I have no issue with these sort of thing at home (my wife would have though)
When this was covered previously i offered to write an addin for the users control panel so they can select a tick box to enable/disable the showing
of avatars.
However i got no response from the ChrisW to give me the go ahead.
Im still happy to write this to give individual users the option of disabling avatars long as ChrisW can find the time to install the patch.
quote:
Originally posted by welderman
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
What's acceptable in one place of work, wouldnt be in another. Where I work in the summer they would have no objections to my avatars, but they would to someones like weldermans for instance....
Point taken, changed it now. Sorry to see her go.
Im happy the way it is but thats cos i dont work in a large office and my Boss is a top lad.
All i would say maybe it would be nice to have a button in the profile section that would allow avatars to be either hidden or visible.
This topic has been covered before and it couldnt be argued either way such that ChrisW had a clear view. Maybe a new pole for the hidden option would
be the way to go.
If we are to self police may I ask that in the future if inapropriate avatars are displayed that we all speak with a similar polite voice and request
the member to remove it.
In the past encouragement has been given when "inapropriate" avatars have been posted.
This sends the wrong message.
Please think before posting is what I'm trying so say I guess.
I never look at "Mad House" when in work but have been "caught" once or twice opening things from the home list. Pleasecould we
all state in the subject if something is NOT work safe.
Why don't we have a 'watershed' approach?
In your profile - you set the the times you want adult content to be displayed.
E.g. between 08:00 - 21:00 - no adult avatars.
This will allow a COMPROMISE for those wishing to see tits and those not - so between these times these avatars will not be visible too you.
It allows full customisable control.
It will however need coding!
If you don't employ a watershed - you will see everything all of the time...
Sound fair?
remarkably even result, about 50%/50% so far....
As for people at work, GET SOME BLOODY WORK DONE!!!
No wonder British industry is stuffed!!
stop moaning about avatars and spoiling it for the rest of us!!
i never understand these polls - ive voted twice so far - is that allowed?
Yes, we should all get back to work....on the cars.
As for 50:50 I read the data more as 45:10 . Skantilly (sp) clad is less of a problem for being sacked I think but a warning could be given.
I like the idea of a watershed. That would work.
Who has the skill and time to do the coding though....we are all to busy reading the forum all day.
As said.. this has been brought up many times. Some people do respect others wishes/feelings, whilst others just don't care.
How does a watershed work? In case you haven't realised, this site is Global ! We have builders all over the world, in different
time zones.
Also, in case you haven't realised, this is NOT a site for 18+ males obsessed with the female anatomy...... but...for everyone. This is,
believe it or not, a site for building cars.
This has all been said before by others, a few take no notice or have no respect for their fellow builders, so I fear this is a major waste of time.
Fozzie
Watershed Update
This is controlled by YOU the individual!
You can set WORK hours, or if you want 24x7 so you never see an adult avatar.
The requirement is that people tick a box to say 'Adult Avatar' - then the watershed will work. During the watershed any avatar deemed as
Adult - will be replaced with a generic pic - Ron Champions smiling face for example?
YOU set the times you want the watershed to be effective! IRRESPECTIVE of time zone - they just adjust the times accordingly! GMT +/-
etc.
e.g. In England I would set 08:00 - 19:00 to make me work safe. In USA they would set 13:00 - 02:00 etc.. This would all be controlled in YOUR
user control panel.
This allows people to have ANY AVATAR they choose!
Hope that the idea is now clear...
And I'm afraid to say CARS + TITS have long held an association - if you want to blame somebody, blame the marketing companies...
Cheers
Murray
[Edited on 25/5/06 by muzchap]
Calm down old chap! Just because I dont see your idea as foolproof, does not mean to say that I have dismissed it, it really is nowt to do with me,
other than having respect for my fellow 'man' (as in human being). If you want to do that and you believe that your way is the only way,
then fine!
People are allowed to have different view points you know!
Fozzie
Ha - I did react there didnt I!
Oh well - no offence meant - just not very good at diplomacy! I'm blaming the impending SVA date
This is MAN PMT
I've edited my post to not be so aggresive! God I must learn to calm doooooooown
Apologies!
[Edited on 25/5/06 by muzchap]
No worries Murray!
Good luck with SVA (when is it)?
ATB Fozzie
Awaiting letter :-(
Working my A$$ off this weekend trying to get it ready...
Got a letter from Ford saying my Zetec is June 2004 and was fitted to a 'ford vehicle' - er yeah! What's cool is that they left out the
word MONDEO - this should def mean I don't have any issues with CAT testing.
The flowchart is pretty scary in the SVA manual and is open to interpretation..
Easy for me to say, but try and relax about the SVA ! Dhan sarf (MItcham) they are good chaps, and do genuinely like the cars and want them to pass.
It would be great if that attitude was national.
I took mine for a 'pre' MOT that is, no paperwork, is it feasable for you to do that? to put your mind at rest with emmissions, set
headllights, check brakes etc? Just an idea to ge some worries out of your head.
ATB Fozzie
Thats exactly what i have done. It's there as we speak being put 'straight'! Will be nice when all the wheels point in the same
direction!!
As for the avaters, I like seeing cars. If i want to see totty i look at the wife
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.
.
Then look straight back at the cars!!!!
Work place ethics are a mine field. I got accused of "sexual harassment" once just for standing beside (but about a foot away from) a new
customer service advisor at a Garage while I gave her advice on how to navigate her way round the computer to build a quote for repairs to a customers
car.
Enjoy.
[Edited on 25/5/06 by jollygreengiant]
Like many folks, I have signed a document to verify that my works 'puter is for work use only. I can not use it for anything that has no relation
to my job. So far my gaffer has turned a blind eye to catching the odd glimpse of Locostbuilders and PPCmag.co.uk but if he was to see a cracking pair
of heaving great bosoms, glistening with sweat and pendulously swinging in the throws of passion, he would have me out of the door as soon as he had
put his crucifix away..........
I think our HQ send a quarterly report of all the websites visited by us. I could be looking for a new job......
I hang around in here to talk about cars and such things. If I want porn, I'll go and look at porn.
Fair enough - I was a bit worried with the swinging boobs on my screen when a customer walked past earlier! Glad this subject has been addressed!
quote:
Originally posted by muzchap
Watershed Update
e.g. In England I would set 08:00 - 19:00 to make me work safe. In USA they would set 13:00 - 02:00 etc.. This would all be controlled in YOUR user control panel.
Mines gone too! I guess I didn't really think it through but realised now with a gengtle hint that this is a site for car building not
perving!
Looks like DaveFJ is the odd one out here!
Still got a non worksafe avatar
Perhaps he hasn't been on and seen this thread yet.....
maybe a U2U pointing him to this thread would be subtle enough.
quote:
As for the avaters, I like seeing cars. If i want to see totty i look at the wife
Davefj should get his star trek avatar back, that made me laugh everytime
I agree some are a tad fruity but surely if you are at work then you shouldn't be swanning about on here....
i think it would be a shame if people had to change there avatar so the poor people at work can can browes the site safely.some body mentioned that we should think of others more with our avaters or replies but it seems to me that the people who want it changed are only thinking of them selves
does my mound of corpses offend anyone?!
ox, as with all things, some one is going to feel abused. Either the people who cant browse from work, or the people who cant have shady avatars. But,
the fact that this is a car related site seems like a strong argument to me! That might be because i have a bottle of beer AND a glass of wine in
front of me
[Edited on 25/5/06 by JoelP]
quote:
would this then stop any image within a post being blocked also?
I've just fired myself from smuttygifts because my avatar wasn't rude enough.
Ian
lol if any one tries to pull the car related argument i'll pi55 my pants t*ts and cars go to gether as well as bacon and egg ,both nice on
there own but even better together
quote:
Originally posted by OX
lol if any one tries to pull the car related argument i'll pi55 my pants
the only dents would be from where i kicked her out to make room for it .i think id get more of a dirty look if i left crumbs in the bed
"you sure on that?! what would happen if you put your car in the bedroom?! A dent in the roof from where the missus hits it me thinks "
erm, most of my car is in my bedroom! Have the bonnet as a headboard and rear view mirror in the wardrobe!
No, the girlfriend isnt impressed.....
Iain
Hi - that's the beauty of the watershed - YOU can have ANY avatar you like - and the WORK users wont be affected!
quote:
Originally posted by IainB
"you sure on that?! what would happen if you put your car in the bedroom?! A dent in the roof from where the missus hits it me thinks "
erm, most of my car is in my bedroom! Have the bonnet as a headboard and rear view mirror in the wardrobe!
No, the girlfriend isnt impressed.....
Iain
Fozzie, take two eggs and then a bit of bacon, put them in the frying pan and get a mans dirty mind.........
Actually, you're a woman and far to inteligent to understand our silly little dirty minds, but while you've got the breakfast on, mines a
cup of tea, milk no sugar
Now where was that thread about a womans place being in the kitchen tell you what i'll just run for cover instead
quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Fozzie, take two eggs and then a bit of bacon, put them in the frying pan and get a mans dirty mind.........
Actually, you're a woman and far to inteligent to understand our silly little dirty minds, but while you've got the breakfast on, mines a cup of tea, milk no sugar
Now where was that thread about a womans place being in the kitchen
ta for that! Its enough to put me off me breakfast for ever!
DOH! someones already said it!
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
remarkably even result, about 50%/50% so far....
As for people at work, GET SOME BLOODY WORK DONE!!!
No wonder British industry is stuffed!!
stop moaning about avatars and spoiling it for the rest of us!!
put me off as well,,not what i ment but you know that
quote:
Originally posted by OX
put me off as well,,not what i ment but you know that
I think the response to this poll has been great and all who have changed their avitars to be worksafe should be thanked.
Hopefully in the future when new folks join etc and avitars drift back to being non worksafe these indiviuals will happily accept requests to tame
thiem down until the "fix" is put in.
I think the fact some changed their avitars so quickly with no strops shows how well the forum do respect its members and is self policing.
I think a some good points have been made
1- although this is a car site and it is also the web and freedom of choice should exist but
2- we are all a friendly bunch of folks and if a friend asks you to be a little more considerate towards their particular curcumstances you would
respect that
3- short term "cleaning" the avitars is great until the "watershed" type fix can be put in place
4- if avitars are not "cleaned" then the amount of worktime vistis by some contributors may reduce as the risk of "being caught"
is too high.
5- furure requests to "clean" and avitar should be taken as a friendly request not a request from "boring old fart" from the
netnanny.
I for 1 thank all how have made my daily browse less stressfull and save me watching over my shoulder like a porn browser.
quote:
Originally posted by richijenkin
DOH! someones already said it!
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
remarkably even result, about 50%/50% so far....
As for people at work, GET SOME BLOODY WORK DONE!!!
No wonder British industry is stuffed!!
stop moaning about avatars and spoiling it for the rest of us!!
For the people that dont want sexual avatars, Im just wondering if your boss knows your talking time from work to discuss pornagraphic pictures?
Do you take car magazines to work that also feature naked women?
[Edited on 25/5/06 by richijenkin]
I for one dont care much either way.
But, the theme here keeps going on about keeping the 'majority' happy by getting rid of these avatars.
not true, the majority have voted that they dont mind at least some nudity/bikini's..
If you change an avatar, fair enough, but its for the skiving minority, not the majority of users.
Me, I could be offended by some other avatars, which I find offensive, but not in a sexist way.
However, I have a cup of tea and bacon roll, so have more interesting things to deal with!!
Personaly I think it's a bit poor that people who want to spend the day surfing at work are imposing their position onto others.
That said, this should be a familly oriented website so I wouldn't want to see anything really dodgy, but can't see the harm in a pic of a
nice looking woman. After all I wouldn't be offended if Fozzie wanted to put a pic of the chipendales in her avatar as long as nothing
was...err..hanging out.
It might be only a minority that dont wan't the risque avatars, but they're hardly being selfish imho. The situation is either we give up
looking at some pictures of boobies, or they have to give up looking at the site at all!! Hardly comparable sacrifices - I think it'd be
extremely petty and discourteous for the rest of us to pull the majority wins angle in this kind of situation.
I'm all for boobies and think the modifications to the forum are an excellent idea, but until then I reckon we shouldn't alienate a minority
of users just to express our right to have non worksafe avatars.
Liam
quote:
Originally posted by OX
i think it would be a shame if people had to change there avatar so the poor people at work can can browes the site safely.some body mentioned that we should think of others more with our avaters or replies but it seems to me that the people who want it changed are only thinking of them selves
How about we put a limit on the size of the avatar like 160x160 pixels, then when your boss looks over your shoulder you'll only have to scan
down 4 lines of the post to hide it. (and all that will be left for your boss to see is the debate your having about porn.)
Naked women and cars go together. Even Newark think so:
http://www.kitcarshow.co.uk/pages/attractions/misskitcar.htm
pmsl @ bkloco ,im not even gonna bother.lighten up dude or are you gonna lose sleep tonight unless this avatar problem is resolved
quote:
Originally posted by BKLOCO
Perhaps you would be so kind as to tell the rest of us boring old farts how, having a tiny picture of a piece of totty with her bits out on their post helps people who are building cars.
BKLoco... calm down, it's only a website.
This is essentially a car website, yes.
But, we also debate jobs, family, bereavment, legal issues, politics, war, and ocassionaly, some of us actually have a bit of a laugh here too!!
(Stop Ze Laughing, NOW!! Zis is der CAR Builders site!! You will be going on Ze list!!)
So, its not JUST for car building, otherwise, it would be as boring and techy as some other sites, and half of us wouldn't be here!!
We're like Top Gear. Mostly about cars, sometimes about stuff, sometimes funny, and , just occasionaly, subject to a bit of Benny Hill level
titilation.
And to agree with someone else, I object to the vocal minority forcing the rest of us.
(BTW i have a really dull CAR avatar)
If you dont like the Avatars, then-
resize your IE window so that it only takes up three quarters of the screen.
Then move the horizontal scroll bar all the way to the right.
PRESTO!! you cant see any avatars.
Re the argument that people shouldnt browse at work - I Don't know about elsewhere, but out here in SA we still get a lunch break, which is when
I catch up on LB. Our IT policy has no problem with surfing then, but the rules on content are not suspended for the duration.
That said, my original concern was at home, where I might have daughters, their friends or a visiting mother in law looking over my shoulder.
Cheers
Fred WB
[Edited on 26/5/06 by Fred W B]
Im a network administrator at a university, and constantly having ban students for unsuitable pictures on the server. You can tell when they've
been to porn sites cus the network cache is full of naughty pics. But there's no way I'd ban a student for a few 200x200px images that have
obviously come from avatars or pop-ups.
Good suggestion Jumpy Guy.
Its only girls in Bikinis, If U don't use avatars with nude girls, it's not a problem.
quote:
Originally posted by Maradona
Its only girls in Bikinis, If U don't use avatars with nude girls, it's not a problem.
I can just about get away with that picture as long as no one complains. Luckily i sit at the back of a section and everyone who visits my
"block" is unlikely to complain at that ........ i hope
Crikey a long thread that I can't be bothered to read all of!
Basically, keep it to scantily clad, job done, simple as that.
No probs with children then, and if employers object to that then they will probably object to using the site at work at all so who cares!
I can understand the issues with nudity, personally I love weldermans avatar but I can fully understand the issues and think its not really right for
a family friendly site.
Just keep the girl pics on a similar level to those on the covers of magazines visible to kids in any supermarket and I don't see any issue.
As for "relevance", what a load of old tosh, put up what the hell you like as a pic, within the bounds of decency as above!
This site is great, had a discussion to that effect with somebody who uses another website for their car club the other day, and they have moderators
that pull posts that criticise them and all sorts of political bull.
quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
This site is great, had a discussion to that effect with somebody who uses another website for their car club the other day, and they have moderators that pull posts that criticise them and all sorts of political bull.