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Type9 bellhousing to a 4 speed box?
lamberhurst - 16/12/10 at 10:02 AM

Hi Folks

First post here so please be kind, your knowledge of all things Ford looks pretty extencive, but I can’t quite find what I need.

I have a little 1958 Austin A35 with a home brew supercharger on route, I therefore need to upgrade the Morris Minor gearbox as this will surely Pop!

The Type 9 is the obvious choice with bellhousing's available for the A Series engine., but Type9's are quite expensive theese days, and I can only just afford the bellhousing!

I have been offered a 1600 Crossflow 4 speed box, and I want to find out if these early 4 speed box's use the same bolt pattern at the gearbox to bellhousing mating surface. Ie, can I bolt up a Type9 bellhousing to a 4 speed box?

Answer please, then go to the pub, cos it's xmas


Taaaa


James - 16/12/10 at 10:26 AM

Enter the Trident!


If the box will explode, will the prop and rear axle be up to it?

Just a thought!


Welcome to the forum by the way!

Cheers,
James


marcjagman - 16/12/10 at 11:17 AM

quote:
Originally posted by lamberhurst
Hi Folks

First post here so please be kind, your knowledge of all things Ford looks pretty extencive, but I can’t quite find what I need.

I have a little 1958 Austin A35 with a home brew supercharger on route, I therefore need to upgrade the Morris Minor gearbox as this will surely Pop!

The Type 9 is the obvious choice with bellhousing's available for the A Series engine., but Type9's are quite expensive theese days, and I can only just afford the bellhousing!

I have been offered a 1600 Crossflow 4 speed box, and I want to find out if these early 4 speed box's use the same bolt pattern at the gearbox to bellhousing mating surface. Ie, can I bolt up a Type9 bellhousing to a 4 speed box?

Answer please, then go to the pub, cos it's xmas


Taaaa


NO you can't


UncleFista - 16/12/10 at 11:43 AM

4-speed box has an integral cast bellhousing.

It's the top one in the pic (thanks to Rob Lane for the pic)



Humbug - 16/12/10 at 11:53 AM

Type 9s aren't that expensive are they?


MikeRJ - 16/12/10 at 12:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by UncleFista
4-speed box has an integral cast bellhousing.



That would depend on which 4 speed box he is referring to! The Type 3, Type 5, Type E and Type F boxes don't have integral bellhousings, but the only one I know for sure is compatible with the Type 9 bellhousing is the Type E (4 speed Sierra box).


MakeEverything - 16/12/10 at 01:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by UncleFista
4-speed box has an integral cast bellhousing.



That would depend on which 4 speed box he is referring to! The Type 3, Type 5, Type E and Type F boxes don't have integral bellhousings, but the only one I know for sure is compatible with the Type 9 bellhousing is the Type E (4 speed Sierra box).


Thats what i was thinking.


lamberhurst - 16/12/10 at 02:13 PM

That's some good and useful info folks, thanks.

As far as the axle is concerned, about 150BHP is top's before that starts to break "read needs more cash", so I'm hoping to get near-ish to that.

The car only weighs about 650Kg, so anything over 120BHP should be enough for a larf.

I'm hoping to re-create the fun of my old and much missed Sunbeam Lotus days.

Cheers

[Edited on 16/12/10 by lamberhurst]


britishtrident - 16/12/10 at 03:44 PM

The A series engine has a bolt on steel back plate which can be remade to mate it to just about any bellhousing.

Incidentally like the engine the A35 gearbox is pure Austin not Morris in origin --- when the Morris Minor dumped the ancient Morris engine for the A Series engine the A series gearbox came with it.


blakep82 - 16/12/10 at 08:40 PM

its still possible to get a type 9 for £30-50 isn't it? that would be your best best. just watch, some of them have a bell housing which isn't removable,


joehale - 3/3/11 at 06:11 PM

Ok guys, similar issue myself here.

I have a Hood S7 with the S-4speed box ....

The box is as good as scrap now and i would like to put a 5 speed type 9 in.....

The type 9 5 speed is longer in length? Meaning an engine shift?

Cheers Guys.