tegwin
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 09:58 AM |
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Alloys dont fit my spigot.... is it safe?
The van I bought last week has some nice alloys on it... however the hole in the centre is about 18mm bigger than the spigot on the hub/brake.. this
means that the alloy DOES NOT sit on the spiggot...rather, it sits over it...
Is this bad?
Can I drive it like that or do I need to get some rings made up to fill the gap?
LOgic tells me its not safe, but what does the greater LB suggest?
[Edited on 26/5/09 by tegwin]
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 10:07 AM |
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I imagine many many people have run around without the right size spigot rings fitted, I know I have.
If you find a supplier for the brand of alloys you've got, they'll be able to supply you with a set of correctly sized plastic spigot
rings that clip to the wheel. They're normally about a tenner for a set, although if you speak nicely to the guys at a tyre fitting place that
sells the wheels, they may have some kicking about for beer money.
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tegwin
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 10:13 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by martyn_16v
I imagine many many people have run around without the right size spigot rings fitted, I know I have.
If you find a supplier for the brand of alloys you've got, they'll be able to supply you with a set of correctly sized plastic spigot
rings that clip to the wheel. They're normally about a tenner for a set, although if you speak nicely to the guys at a tyre fitting place that
sells the wheels, they may have some kicking about for beer money.
Sadly the alloys are from a Hyundai van... so dont think I will be able to find some rings off the shelf 
I guess I could just leave it as it is.... or get some machined up from stock... but that could get expenisve...
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mcerd1
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 10:19 AM |
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measure/sketch them and see if someone on here will make them for you for a few beer tokens 
[Edited on 26/5/09 by mcerd1]
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 10:20 AM |
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don't worry about it, the rings are only for helping you fit the wheels, not taking the weight of the car. After all their made of plastic....
It's the wheel nuts and their studs that carry the load. I have a few alloys (like the slot mags) where the hole is huge compaired to the hub
center and the use a metal cap to hide it.
[Edited on 26/5/09 by Mr Whippy]
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 10:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
don't worry about it, the rings are only for helping you fit the wheels, not taking the weight of the car. After all their made of plastic....
It's the wheel nuts and their studs that carry the load.
Right, but the spigot is there to ensure the wheel is perfectly centered. Unless sleeve nuts are used, the wheel bolts/nuts will not always center
the wheel. The rear wheels on my MR2 were terrible for this until I got the correct spigot rings.
So the answer is that although it's not dangerous as such, it could cause vibration.
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Humbug
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 11:01 AM |
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As Whippy says - once they are located properly and tightened up, they should be fine. The issue is making sure that the wheels are properly centred
before you tighten up the nuts. The spigot ring (or correct wheels for the hubs...  ) mean that is not a problem.
Personally I would try to get some spigot rings. Failing that, could you use a home-made tool (like a hollow cone with the top lopped off) to help
centre the wheels before doing up the nuts?
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02GF74
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 11:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
don't worry about it, the rings are only for helping you fit the wheels, not taking the weight of the car. After all their made of plastic....
It's the wheel nuts and their studs that carry the load.
I am not sure that is correct - it is the friction between the hub and wheel that carries the load - why else would you need to torque the bolts up to
fifteen billion pound-foot?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 11:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
don't worry about it, the rings are only for helping you fit the wheels, not taking the weight of the car. After all their made of plastic....
It's the wheel nuts and their studs that carry the load.
I am not sure that is correct - it is the friction between the hub and wheel that carries the load - why else would you need to torque the bolts up to
fifteen billion pound-foot?
yip your right there too ;o) which is why your not suppose to put grease on the hub faces to prevent the wheels rusting on
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craig1410
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 12:03 PM |
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I've got 19mm "universal" spacers on my wheels to correct the offset (they are Focus wheels so the offset is something like 52mm).
The spacers I bought don't have spigot rings on them so my wheels are just fitted onto the studs and torqued up. I was worried that I might get
problems with the wheel not centering correctly but in practice it seems to be fine. I don't get any vibration at all (not from the wheels
anyway...)
Just make sure you use copper grease under the heads of the wheel nuts to allow the wheel to centre itself and make sure you tighten all four nuts
down evenly and gradually. I always spin the four nuts down very lightly initially and then quite firmly and then firmer still before dropping it onto
the ground and using the torque wrench. Seems to do the trick.
Cheers,
Craig.
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Peteff
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 12:57 PM |
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We had to fit spigot rings to the corsa as the vibration at the rear without them was terrible even with the proper wheel nuts. The spigot rings cured
the problem even though they are only 1mm or so plastic.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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snapper
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 06:47 PM |
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You can get plastic ones on ebay that do the job or its very easy to get someone with a lathe to machine some up.
Only problem i had with the ebay plastic ones is that the wheel hole had a very slight taper, i could not see it but dad in law did and it took him a
couple of mins to sort them on his lathe.
Not safe without a spigot ring IMHO, having had a wheel fall off a rally Escort shearing all 4 studs, you know it makes sense
[Edited on 26/5/09 by snapper]
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Liam
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 10:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
I've got 19mm "universal" spacers on my wheels to correct the offset (they are Focus wheels so the offset is something like 52mm).
The spacers I bought don't have spigot rings on them so my wheels are just fitted onto the studs and torqued up. I was worried that I might get
problems with the wheel not centering correctly but in practice it seems to be fine. I don't get any vibration at all (not from the wheels
anyway...)
You can get away with it if your studs are perfectly straight and the wheels use tapered nuts. One or both of these may not always be the case. Much
better to fit your wheels properly!
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