Wadders
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 09:03 PM |
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Bloody EU at it again.
Just seen this on PH,http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=26224
sounds like the EU tossers are intending to outlaw modified cars. 
Worth a read, as is the other thread running on PH.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=57&t=1187860&mid=69166&nmt=Armageddon+for+modified+car+owners
Sad times if it goes through peeps.
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scootz
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 09:12 PM |
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Please be true... it'll mean that I'll finally be released from my self-inflicted kit-car torture!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 09:32 PM |
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What's the betting it's a hoax perpetrated by the journalists to see how many people can drop their egg muffin on the floor of their Saxo
on the way to the dole office?
They did this with the straight bananas and tightrope walkers having to wear hard hats
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Doctor Derek Doctors
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 09:49 PM |
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Pistonheads, the Daily Mail of motoring.
I've never known so many people get so hysterically worked up over so little.
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Chippy
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 10:10 PM |
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Well even if it is true surely the UK government doesn't have to bring it into force, they have done it with "some" EU laws,
(ones that might affect the MP's I wouldn't wonder). Cheers Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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RK
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 01:21 AM |
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Another example of the insurance people running the world: same thing here: all right hand drive vehicles on the road, well OK. New right hand drive:
DANGEROUS because some kids drive like loonies and kill themselves. It's too hard to ban the kids who drive like loonies, though.
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 08:00 AM |
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Hum; storm in teacup? Our cars are not type approve as such but are via the IVA/SVA so long as they are not modified since the IVA/SVA, then there is
not a problem?
Note: What is modified after the IVA/SVA is not really a question that can be answered very little is recorded ... Engine swaps may be an
issue!
It will be a problem for any other non IVA/SVAd vehicle that has any non factory modifications...
Also Chippy is correct; we don't have to except the EU regulations.. This is also why we have the SVA/IVA as a work around for last time the EU
started putting it's boot in...
[Edited on 23/8/12 by Bluemoon]
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Slimy38
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 09:45 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bluemoon
Hum; storm in teacup? Our cars are not type approve as such but are via the IVA/SVA so long as they are not modified since the IVA/SVA, then there is
not a problem?
Agreed, while the word 'type' isn't there the word 'approval' is. And they're not going to get rid of IVA/SVA as
that would put a few specialist companies out business (Ariel, Noble etc).
Personally I think they're on the right lines though. We have to suffer through IVA with various rules governing what can or can't be
done. But Joe Modder out there in his Saxo (it's always a Saxo isn't it?!) can put whatever number of sharp edges and loud exhausts they
want. Perhaps they should say that all mods should be IVA'd, whether the base is a type approved car or a one off special?
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coozer
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 10:41 AM |
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And if you voted Tory you asked for it!
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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RK
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 11:53 AM |
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Anyways, the kit car is a big industry now in the UK. Doubtful it will go the way of the dodo bird.
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chillis
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 01:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
And if you voted Tory you asked for it!
Don't get that, the tories were the ones who fort for the SVA to start with when the EU wanted to put an end to anything that was not volume
manufacture. They put the case to the EU that there'd be lots of vehicles that would no longer be available - disabled cars, gulley cleaners,
road sweepers, dust carts, snow ploughs the list goes on. The EU saw the point and eventually we had the IVA, the UK version of an EU directive as
they realised certain types of low volume, conversions and one offs were needed.
No reason to think it would be any different over the MOT, we have one in place. The EU are much more concerned about the many member states that have
NO mot type test. Those vehicles are allowed to use our roads and crash into us when their cars fail due to poor maintanance. Why shouldn 't
they be tested.
If our government wanted to stop post reg mods they could have done so years ago. There is no requirement for our government ot accept any EU
legislation and they only do so when it suits them same as Germany, France etc.
If you think this will be the end of post reg mods then it will be because the Dft wants it..
Write to your MP if you think it will help.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 01:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
And if you voted Tory you asked for it!
You raging lefty you! 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 02:26 PM |
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I wrote to my MP and MEP's earlier. Got a reply from UKIP very promptly, and it isn't good reading.
A poster above refers to other cars not being IVA/SVA but what about modifications AFTER IVA/SVA?? it may get very difficult, as they would no doubt
go after those at some point. After all the MoT testers will be on the lookout for anything out of the ordinary, so engine swaps etc will be more
difficult. Plus many of the companies supplying kitcar stuff will likely go belly-up if they lose the larger market of modified cars. This is bad
news. Anyway, reply below:
quote:
Dear Mr Senior Thank you for writing to Nigel Farage about the EU's latest move to tighten the screw on motorists in general, and the owners of
historic and customised vehicles in particular, by means of further modifications to the MOT-test, which require (Art.3(9)) that "the parts
and components of a vehicle comply with its safety and environmental characteristics in force at the time of approval, first registration or entry
into service". This will effectively put an end to car-customisation. The Regulation appears to exempt "vehicles of historic
interest", until we look at the definition of such vehicles, which states (Art.3(7)) that "'vehicle of historic interest'
means any vehicle which fulfils all the following conditions : - It was manufactured at least 30 years ago, - It is maintained by use of replacement
parts which reproduce the historic components of the vehicle; - It has not sustained any change in the technical characteristics of its main
components such as engine, brakes, steering or suspension and - It has not been changed in its appearance;" This will effectively ban historic
cars from the roads. Like its predecessor (Directive 2009/40/EC) the Regulation enforces the "Vehicle-Type Approval" requirements, issued
by the United Nations Organisation. The Regulation also delegates, to the EU-Commission, the ability "to adopt acts" and to exercise
"implementing-powers", to modify the Regulation further, at the EU-Commission's own discretion (Art.18) and requires that
test-results, from all EU-states, be collected centrally (Art. 14) The general effect is to continue the construction of monolithic EU-control. UKIP
will, of course, oppose this in every way possible. Unfortunately, the opposition mounted by UKIP's 13 members at the EU's
"parliament" is rarely supported by more than 60 of the other 740 members, and indeed, the "parliament" has rejected only two
of the tens-of-thousands of proposals, which the EU-Commission has made this century. The UK-government could refuse to implement this particular
Regulation, because "vehicle-testing", surprisingly enough, is - as the Regulation puts it - "a sovereign matter"; but the
chances of "our" pro-EU government doing that are, I would think, nil. It seems most unlikely that this Regulation will not become law,
whereupon the only way to repeal it will be to repeal the European Communities Act, which is the basis of all EU-authority in the UK. The repeal of
this Act is UKIP's central and exclusive aim. Yours sincerely Andrew S. Reed Office of Nigel Farage, Brussels
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roadrunner
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 02:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
I wrote to my MP and MEP's earlier. Got a reply from UKIP very promptly, and it isn't good reading.
A poster above refers to other cars not being IVA/SVA but what about modifications AFTER IVA/SVA?? it may get very difficult, as they would no doubt
go after those at some point. After all the MoT testers will be on the lookout for anything out of the ordinary, so engine swaps etc will be more
difficult. Plus many of the companies supplying kitcar stuff will likely go belly-up if they lose the larger market of modified cars. This is bad
news. Anyway, reply below:
quote:
Dear Mr Senior Thank you for writing to Nigel Farage about the EU's latest move to tighten the screw on motorists in general, and the owners of
historic and customised vehicles in particular, by means of further modifications to the MOT-test, which require (Art.3(9)) that "the parts
and components of a vehicle comply with its safety and environmental characteristics in force at the time of approval, first registration or entry
into service". This will effectively put an end to car-customisation. The Regulation appears to exempt "vehicles of historic
interest", until we look at the definition of such vehicles, which states (Art.3(7)) that "'vehicle of historic interest'
means any vehicle which fulfils all the following conditions : - It was manufactured at least 30 years ago, - It is maintained by use of replacement
parts which reproduce the historic components of the vehicle; - It has not sustained any change in the technical characteristics of its main
components such as engine, brakes, steering or suspension and - It has not been changed in its appearance;" This will effectively ban historic
cars from the roads. Like its predecessor (Directive 2009/40/EC) the Regulation enforces the "Vehicle-Type Approval" requirements, issued
by the United Nations Organisation. The Regulation also delegates, to the EU-Commission, the ability "to adopt acts" and to exercise
"implementing-powers", to modify the Regulation further, at the EU-Commission's own discretion (Art.18) and requires that
test-results, from all EU-states, be collected centrally (Art. 14) The general effect is to continue the construction of monolithic EU-control. UKIP
will, of course, oppose this in every way possible. Unfortunately, the opposition mounted by UKIP's 13 members at the EU's
"parliament" is rarely supported by more than 60 of the other 740 members, and indeed, the "parliament" has rejected only two
of the tens-of-thousands of proposals, which the EU-Commission has made this century. The UK-government could refuse to implement this particular
Regulation, because "vehicle-testing", surprisingly enough, is - as the Regulation puts it - "a sovereign matter"; but the
chances of "our" pro-EU government doing that are, I would think, nil. It seems most unlikely that this Regulation will not become law,
whereupon the only way to repeal it will be to repeal the European Communities Act, which is the basis of all EU-authority in the UK. The repeal of
this Act is UKIP's central and exclusive aim. Yours sincerely Andrew S. Reed Office of Nigel Farage, Brussels
So what they are trying to say is, "Dont vote Tories next time, vote for the UKIP instead."
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Irony
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 03:13 PM |
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quick everyone sell their shares in Halfords!
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 05:37 PM |
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"the supposition is that any car fitted with a part that's contrary to its original type approval would effectively be outlawed under the
proposed legislation."
All the parts that will be on my car will be fitted and used as originally intended by Mr Champion. So F*CK OFF Brussels.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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Liam
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| posted on 23/8/12 at 05:53 PM |
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Lol. And what a load of tripe from that UKIP guy - e.g. 'quotes definition of historic vehicle' then concludes 'this will
effectively ban historic cars from the roads'. Er, what? Typical UKIP scaremongering, much? This is going around every forum with anything to do
with cars and creating the same hysterical over-reaction from people who haven't read it properly. In a nutshell, all the proposal says is that
modifications which alter a vehicle in terms of safety or environmental impact from its type approved spec will need inspection and approval. Wow.
What's all the fuss about? Surely not really that bad a thing, is it? At worst maybe we'll end up with something like the German TUV.
Hasn't exactly killed car modification over there, has it?
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NS Dev
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| posted on 24/8/12 at 09:15 PM |
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This does all worry me a little, what with the nature of my fledgling business and all!!
However, I will wait and see.......these things are very difficult to police properly and fairly!!
How exactly would an MOT test prove that a vehicle was not as safe or as environmentally friendly as when new, if more modern components had been
used???????????
Anyway, we will wait and see. There was panic at the announcement of SVA, and we've all survived that one!
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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chillis
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| posted on 29/8/12 at 02:19 PM |
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epetition has been started
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/37784
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blakep82
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| posted on 29/8/12 at 02:24 PM |
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http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=26260
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IVA manual link http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1081997083
don't write OT on a new thread title, you're creating the topic, everything you write is very much ON topic!
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morcus
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| posted on 29/8/12 at 02:34 PM |
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I'm going to admit I didn't read most of this, but can you really belive anything UKIP say on the subject?
I can't see Modified cars being completely outlawed, I'm told they're effectively illegal in alot of europe already but it
doesn't seem to stop people.
I've spoken to people inside the Party (I'm not a member, but an open supporter and friends with alot of people who are) and none of them
reckon it's going to happen anytime soon, especially since alot of high up Torys are the kind of people who have collections of cars, and are
the same people who not long ago put forward the Idea of pre 1960 vehicles needing an MOT.
This could all be a good thing, I'm not all that bothered about the EU but as someone who lives on the border, I'd love to see more
seperation of our motoring laws from the EU to stop people driving around with foreign EU plates, which I'm sure is illegal but you don't
need papers so it's hard to check, the people over the back have two polish registered BMW's and a Hungarian FIAT that wouldn't pass
an MOT and they've been there since at least December.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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Liam
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| posted on 29/8/12 at 07:19 PM |
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Thank god for that Pistonheads article. Maybe now people will stop getting hysterical about a proposal they clearly never read or understood. Nobody
was ever going to ban modified or historic cars in the first place.
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