What's this nonsense about horses? Me and my men will have a field cleared in a week, and sown in a day. I'm sure this will just blow
over.
There's talk of steam engines overtaking the horse. I can't see it myself. They need water every 10 miles, who's going to put water
points across all of the country? And the same for coal?! There's no interest in something that can only go that far. I'll be sticking
with my horse. We've got shire horses for working the fields, horses for transport and small ponies for working down the pits. I'm sure
this will just blow over, you'll see.
People on the streets are sayin' that this new kind of engine is going to overtake the steam engine. What a load of codswallop. This empire was
built on steam, it's lasted a hundred years and will last hundreds more. We've improved them over the years and they'll keep getting
better. We've got steam engines for our boats, trains, traction engines and pumping houses. People are buying petrol in tins, it'll take
ages to fill your car up! And how are they going to get petrol to every town and village across Britain? I've seen some of these new petrol
cars, they can only go 20 miles and I can run faster! No, I'm sorry, steam is king and it's here to stay. I'm confident that this
will all blow over.
I've heard about electric vehicles are the up and coming trend. What tripe. My diesel engine will keep on ticking for another 300 thousand
miles, I've no need for a car that can only go 100 miles! And how are we going to get electricity to people's homes? This will definitely
blow over, mark my words.
It must be remembered that we have grown up in an age where the expectation of being able to travel anywhere and at anytime is seen as a right rather
than a privilege. We are going to go back to a time when traveling to the next town is an event rather than a right, as we think of it now thus
transport especially personal/private transport will be a thing of the past.
quote:Originally posted by Benzine
What's this nonsense about .....
Exactly! Once electric (or hybrid, or 'nuclear reactor in the boot' becomes the 'best' choice for consumers - with I suspect
'best' being defined as 'the cheapest to them' - there will be an natural shift over. Prime example - the shift to diesel over
the last few decades.
I think for our interest area there will undoubtedly be either
a) exceptions for small volume 'new' production going forward
b) tech which is either so 'everyday' we will be building 'hybrid' kit cars anyway beacuse of what we get from donors
c) workaround products we buy which meet the letter of the legislation if not the spirit
d) options to build 'new' petrol/diesel without limit - but with a big financial disincentive....
Cars are not the only items which use petrol - we won't ALL be using electric strimmers/chainsaws/generators/lawnmowers/whacker plates/ in 23
years time remember - so some kind of fuel infrastructure will have to remain too....
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posted on 26/7/17 at 01:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by cliftyhanger
I am betting the future is hybrid, and that it is purely petrol or diesels that will disappear.
Just think about it, all those terraced houses in the country, how are they going to charge their cars?
Plus I think (happy to be wrong) that as a country we are already marginal on electricity production. How is that going to cope with the 6pm surge
when everybody gets home, plugs their car in, puts the oven on and makes a cuppa??
OK, we are all dooooomed.
Nope, you're absolutely right, I work at a Biomass power station and 5:30 in the morning and 16:30 in the evening we can see the fluctuations on
the grid. As the coal fired stations are going this is putting more strain on all the other stations too. Once all the new nuclear stations are up and
running we will be fine (hahahaha) at a cost of????????
quote:Originally posted by owelly
I see headlines like these and immediately start looking for the 'real' stories that are being hidden....Any politicians up to no good?!
reading between the line on radio 5 reporting the real story is that the Government had to publish a report on energy future and green stuff by the
end of the month or be in breach of a court order brought by some lobby group. This doe snot strictly satisfy the court order as it was supposed to be
about a complete clean air policy but the report concentrates on a small part of the problem but get the courts of their backs.
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Giving up our fossil fuel based cars for an electric vehicle is not at this point a cost effective alternative solution. 99% of businesses only care
about the bottom line. The business I work for maintains a large fleet of vehicles (both cars and lorries) and we would convert to electric in a
second if it would prove profitable. At this point it doesn't prove cost effective. We have a profit share scheme and if the management said
'we can change to electric but your profit share will go down'. I know which way the vote would go.
Until petrol and diesel transportation starts hurting peoples pockets we will not adopt electric as a nation.
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posted on 27/7/17 at 02:07 AM
quote:Originally posted by Simon
20 years time, the scrappies will be full of tesla S100D's/BMW i8's. So we'll have 400bhp kitcars that are charged by a solar panel
on the roof.
quote:Originally posted by Simon
20 years time, the scrappies will be full of tesla S100D's/BMW i8's. So we'll have 400bhp kitcars that are charged by a solar panel
on the roof.
What's not to like
Ummm, the fact that to get sufficient charge from a solar panel on the roof you'd need to charge up for about 3 weeks to get 10 miles down the
road & back!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Simon
20 years time, the scrappies will be full of tesla S100D's/BMW i8's. So we'll have 400bhp kitcars that are charged by a solar panel
on the roof.
What's not to like
Ummm, the fact that to get sufficient charge from a solar panel on the roof you'd need to charge up for about 3 weeks to get 10 miles down the
road & back!!!
Probably be a bit more development between now and then. We are talking 20 odd years away after all.
quote:Originally posted by Simon
20 years time, the scrappies will be full of tesla S100D's/BMW i8's. So we'll have 400bhp kitcars that are charged by a solar panel
on the roof.
What's not to like
Ummm, the fact that to get sufficient charge from a solar panel on the roof you'd need to charge up for about 3 weeks to get 10 miles down the
road & back!!!
Probably be a bit more development between now and then. We are talking 20 odd years away after all.
Size of panel to fit on roof would be around 250Wh at current (pun intended!) levels, which are around 10% efficient, let's say we've got
up to 40% efficient (highly unlikely!) so same size panel chucks out 1kWh so in 8 hours of full sun (ha ha, this is the UK!) we get a max of 8kWh.
Lets say we have 100hp electric motor & it runs at 50% of it's capacity for our 20 mile round trip taking around 1/2 hour so 50 hp = 37.5Kw
for 1/2 hr = 18.75Kwh, however, you shouldn't let battery capacity drop below half or it damages batteries, so make that 37.5Kwh again!
So it should (in full sun & assuming the efficiency gains given) only take about 5 days rather than 3 weeks Only problem being how often do we
get 5 days of full 8hrs sun, so it would probably be more like 10 days, but still, I grant you, better than the 3 weeks I originally predicted! Now
the only problem is if I want to do more than a 20 mile round trip every 10 days or so or if I want a more powerful motor!
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Going back to good old fashioned horse powered transport may be the way as they must be carbon neutral but burning them as fuel would probably smell a
lot and their quite bulky so some sort of big blender may be required
I once poured chicken fat into a fire and it went up like petrol and a horse is a lot bigger than a chicken...
So much thinking above is stagnated to the world around us as it is today. Think outside the box
Simple solution to a lot of the problems of recharging......user replaceable battery packs/ trays call it what you will. I am 99.9% sure its already
been thought of and is being worked on (if not its my idea and I claim £0.01 per pack built in future)
You will still visit a 'petrol' station (which can still sell petrol for those of us with classic cars) but you will slot out your tired
battery pack and slot in a fully charger one and drive off again. They can recharge as and when it suits them both in practical and financial terms
i.e. early hours of the morning using low cost power. Us users simply lease the battery pack and pay monthly for the energy we use. Buy leasing you
also don't have to worry about replacing a worn out battery pack on a 6-7 year old car
We could still top-up the charge at home if we have the parking space/ charging point .
Battery pack density if currently doubling every 10 years so in 20+ years time a 300 mile range pack will be 1/4 the size of todays battery packs. All
very 'do-able' and in 20 years we have heaps of time to get it sorted!
Tyre manufactures are working on (and in some ares using) similar lease schemes so you no longer own your tyres but just pay a small fee per mile.
I am a techno geek and would LOVE to build an electric '7', the possible power available is staggering
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posted on 27/7/17 at 12:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Going back to good old fashioned horse powered transport may be the way as they must be carbon neutral but burning them as fuel would probably smell a
lot and their quite bulky so some sort of big blender may be required
I once poured chicken fat into a fire and it went up like petrol and a horse is a lot bigger than a chicken... [/quot
Private Eye used to regularly bring in reports from around the world revealing snippets of news from
Far flung places and I remember some party in the Far East where a suckling pig being roasted exploded and maimed a load of people there's some
energy in lard!!!
quote:Originally posted by Volvorsport
Super capacitors are being developed already . Once that happens properly . Bye bye petrol/diesel.
looking at those on the web the tech seems to be already here and seem much better than batteries, quite interesting
To the average man on the street a supercapacitor and a rechargeable battery are the same thing. They are still a source of (electrical) energy but
without the nasty lithium stuff that tends to cause a few problems when it gets a little smokey
Maybe we should all just refer to them as Accumulators which is what they all are anyway
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posted on 27/7/17 at 02:44 PM
Maybe this is the way we'll go... Hydrogen powering cars via fuel cells.
Basically, it's hydrogen created using a local wind turbine (or similar green technology). It also explains the thinking behind the Toyota
Prius, which I've always thought of as a "meh" car. I like the idea that the Mirai can power your house in the event of a power cut
(but not yet in the UK). Clearly other manufacturers are watching this technology, as there were several big names at this presentation. The big
bonus is that you could fill an "empty" car in just a couple of minutes, instead of plugging in an electric car and waiting anything from
30 minutes to several hours.
As far as I'm concerned, I'd have an electric car tomorrow (even if the electricity came from a hydrogen fuel cell). Apart from the very
occasional long journey, even current cars would easily fit my lifestyle. As for this technology - I view it as "very interesting, but
I'll wait and see".
But coming back to the original post - I doubt that any home car maker could meet the regulations for keeping battery packs or fuel cells safe. They
can be dangerous in a crash (look at Richard Hammond's recent accident) so the chances of an amateur builder making a safe vehicle are slim to
non-existent.
quote:Originally posted by David Jenkins
But coming back to the original post - I doubt that any home car maker could meet the regulations for keeping battery packs or fuel cells safe. They
can be dangerous in a crash (look at Richard Hammond's recent accident) so the chances of an amateur builder making a safe vehicle are slim to
non-existent.
I suspect there will be a modular system for these components, in the same way as we use an engine module, and a gearbox module
at the moment.
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posted on 27/7/17 at 03:42 PM
Just thinking... no-one is talking about the other great polluter, which affects petrol, diesel and electric cars equally - tyres. The process of
making them is incredibly polluting, and they're a PITA to get rid of once they've worn out. Not sure what the answer is.
becomes the 'best' choice for consumers - with I suspect
'best' being defined as 'the cheapest to them' - there will be an natural shift over. Prime example - the shift to diesel over
the last few decades. 
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then we'll be able to travel back to the future to have a look at transport towards infinity and beyond...
and a horse is a lot bigger than a chicken...
