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russbost

posted on 2/10/19 at 04:59 PM Reply With Quote
Citroen DS3 Aircon Problem

Hi Guys, A friend of mine has the misfortune to own a 2013 Citroen DS3 Auto, not sure if it's the 1.4 or 1.6, but defo petrol, I doubt it makes any difference to the outcome of this scenario!

The aircon packed up last autumn & having been told it was going to be fortunes to fix she decided to run this summer with no a/c, she has now decided that she can't be without a/c so wants to get it fixed - she has been told it's the compressor that's knackered & it will cost 2600 to fix!!!!

How on earth can a compressor replacement possibly cost more than about 500 tops, you can buy brand new Nissen units off Ebay for around 230. I would have thought you could replace the whole system including all pipework, radiator & condenser for less than the money she's been quoted?

I see from internet searches that Citroen have had some probs with this a/c & have changed various pipework for upgraded parts, but this pipework costs only about 90 from Citroen for both compressor pipes?

Any info/advice gratefully received, I don't like to see people get ripped off, but got no time to look at it myself





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nick205

posted on 3/10/19 at 09:31 AM Reply With Quote
Having had air-con issues with cars before I've similarly been quoted stupid sums of money for repairs. Often with "labour" to remove/refit other parts to get to the offending parts said to be the culprit.

The first thing I'd do is visit another garage (or 2) for second opinions and quotes.

I'm certainly no air-con expert, but have hear it said that running the air-con when there's a fault or no refrigerant can cause damage to parts of the system. True or false I don't know - possibly "pub talk".

Finally, being that Citroen are part of PSA, which includes Peugeot I'd imagine the air-con components are widely used across PSA group vehicles. The parts are almost certainly bought in from other manufacturers as well, meaning the oarts will be used on other non PSA group vehicles. Logic (to me) dictates that replacement parts should be readily available and not cost a fortune.

Advise your friend to be cautious and careful not to get ripped off!

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posted on 3/10/19 at 12:13 PM Reply With Quote
My Wife and I encountered a similar problem on a Gen 7 Toyota Celica.

However - a Toyota Dealer replaced the first a/c compressor for about 600 all in. I replaced the second a/c compressor for less than 200 - 2nd hand unit off eBay and a re-gas. Second hand unit did 10,000 miles before we sold the car with a/c

2600 is extortionate but I've never looked at a DS3 and have no idea how much 'stuff' needs to be taken off before you can do the job.





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posted on 3/10/19 at 12:24 PM Reply With Quote
I find now that there has apparently been a suggestion (why don't peeps tell the whole story in the first place???) that there could be a leak behind the dash - even so, I can't see how you can possibly get to anything like that sort of money, even 2 full days labour, 16 hours at main dealer type rates wouldn't come to more than about 1500 which would still leave over a grand for parts

She's going to take it to someone who's been recommended to me to get a 2nd opinion, I have told her to make sure she tells the whole story & ask for a worse case scenario b4 throwing money at it - the car's only done 25,000 miles, pretty p1ss poor quality IMHO, but then it is a Citroen ....





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posted on 4/10/19 at 08:56 AM Reply With Quote
russbost - keep us posted on progress with this please, I'm sure there'll be something here to learn.
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posted on 4/10/19 at 01:07 PM Reply With Quote
I suspect that something may be "don't buy a Citroen!"





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posted on 4/10/19 at 01:58 PM Reply With Quote
It could be, but as above PSA (Peugeot & Citroen) will buy these bits in from other manufacturers (often Valeo) like other car makers do. I suspect whoever PSA buy the bits from supply the same bits to numerous other car brands. PSA may have made it awkward to get to the bits, but I doubt they're much worse than other car brands at that part. I quite like VAG brands, but some are a bugger when you need to get to certain parts.
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russbost

posted on 4/10/19 at 02:55 PM Reply With Quote
Okay, I'll amend that to "don't buy a Peugeot or a Citroen"!

I will keep you informed, latest situ is that the recommended repairer reckons they can sort it for about 1k - still sound like a ridiculous amount of money to me!





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posted on 4/10/19 at 08:15 PM Reply With Quote
As per my avatar, username and message below I'm a big fan of Peugeot 205 GTIs.

I'm watching with great interest.

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russbost

posted on 5/10/19 at 08:54 AM Reply With Quote
I'm also a fan of the 205 Gti, but modern Peugeots have about as much common DNA with the Gti as I do with an amoeba!





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posted on 5/10/19 at 12:48 PM Reply With Quote
True for PSA and all brands really, I just have that lingering love for Peugeot.
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posted on 9/10/19 at 10:46 AM Reply With Quote
Any news yet?

I'm interested to hear what the outcome might be on this.

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russbost

posted on 9/10/19 at 10:49 AM Reply With Quote
Not sure if they've had it in yet, will be seeing the lady later today so will find out





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posted on 9/10/19 at 11:04 AM Reply With Quote
Look forward to hearing how it goes - hope it doesn't end up costing too much money either.
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posted on 10/10/19 at 07:23 AM Reply With Quote
Update - it's gone into the place recommended to me, the initial estimate was 1000, there was apparently a problem behind the dash, I have to say, having stripped dashes out "back in the day" when cars were somewhat simpler, I don't envy anyone taking the dash out of something modern knowing they need to get it back together without it looking like a 7 year old has attacked it with his dad's toolkit

Anyway, they've stripped it & the quote as I think it now is has gone up to 1600, 800 of which is parts. I'm only getting a garbled second hand story, but it would seem to be a cracked pipe behind the dash, I assume where it attaches to the matrix, however the pipe cannot be purchased separately so, I'm guessing it's probably a matrix & a couple of pipes as a kit???

Will report back when the job is finished, I think they've been told parts will be a few days

I still think it just goes to show how stupid modern "engineering" has become, if you Google DS3 aircon it seems that problems are rife, frequently cracked pipes due to vibration which they've now updated the replacement parts for (in other words the originals weren't fit for purpose).

To have a 6 year old car, still worth around 4k plus according to "we buy any car" which can be very nearly written off by such a minor fault is crazy - if owned by someone a little less well off they would almost certainly try to flog it as it is (difficult to be sure aircon is working from around this time of year onwards) & dump the problem on someone else, or simply keep it & use with no aircon

I'm sure there must be a simpler way to build things - this would appear to be built in obsolescence & guaranteed work for your dealer network

I'm sticking to my advice of "don't buy a Citroen, or perhaps anything from the modern PSA network"

I never heard of any aircon probs on the 205 Gti !!!





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posted on 10/10/19 at 11:23 AM Reply With Quote
I certainly don't envy anyone having to dismantle a dashboard that's going to have to go back together in the car. Modern dashboards are usually a festival of plastic tangs that often snap off when coming apart and then fail to hold the parts together on re-assembly. As you say on a 6 year old car it seems pretty poor that such a failure has occurred.

Equally I don't recall problems like this with Peugeot 205's. I've got my 3rd GTI and none have had air-con, don't know if they Pug ever fitted ari-con to 205's TBH.

PSA group cars (and others) seem to have their frailties and design issues. VAG group TDI cars had a problem with Siemens diesel injector failures leaving cars immobile and causing large repair bills. VAG sorted it eventually, but it certainly bit a few owners along the way.

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