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nick205

posted on 3/9/21 at 10:31 AM Reply With Quote
Kits using FWD donors to give mid/rear layout RWD?

Morning all,

What kits (if any) are out there for mid/rear engine cars using transverse engine + gearbox from a FWD donor car to give a RWD result?

Must be car engine + gearbox based, not bike.

Thanks,
Nick

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russbost

posted on 3/9/21 at 11:11 AM Reply With Quote
Sylva R1ot was available with car engined option, believe it was the small 1600 Ford engine , Sigma, not certain of donor - Fiesta I think?

Other than that there was a Fury derivative - again, I think, called the Menace, not 100% certain that one was car as well as bike though





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loggyboy

posted on 3/9/21 at 12:08 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by russbost
Sylva R1ot was available with car engined option, believe it was the small 1600 Ford engine , Sigma, not certain of donor - Fiesta I think?

Other than that there was a Fury derivative - again, I think, called the Menace, not 100% certain that one was car as well as bike though


Yes the original Riot. The R1ot got the adapted name to suit the Bike engine.

https://www.riotcars.co.uk/riots-classic/





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loggyboy

posted on 3/9/21 at 12:30 PM Reply With Quote
Its an older one but I also recall seeing one of these a few years back at an autosolo. Didn't appear to like being pushed, all the weight on the rear just meant it under-steered everywhere.
http://www.cc-cyclone.co.uk/





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posted on 3/9/21 at 12:37 PM Reply With Quote
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adithorp

posted on 3/9/21 at 12:45 PM Reply With Quote
Jeremy Phillips has done a few Mid-engined Sylvas. As was his want he usually moved the designs on to other manufacturers after a while.

The Mojo using Ford motors then the Riot developed from that initially with car engine, though later most are BEC and now being done again with ford ecoboost I believe. After that the J15/16/17. J15 has either zetec or duratec. J16 Vectis with MGF (inc subframes) and finally J17 with MGF k-series (but not the subframes). At that point he sold Sylva and retired. The current owner of the mark seems to have mothballed it and I can't remember who has the rights on the earlier models.

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...Other than that there was a Fury derivative - again, I think, called the Menace, not 100% certain that one was car as well as bike though


The Menace was bike engine and only 1/2dozen made.





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russbost

posted on 3/9/21 at 01:06 PM Reply With Quote
The Cyclone was an excellent kit, but hasn't been available for ages, I believe there was a dispute & the jigs were cut up!

There was also the Sylva Mojo & further developments of it called Mojo 2 & Mojo SE IIRC





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Russell

posted on 3/9/21 at 01:18 PM Reply With Quote
I've got a mid-engined Spire GTR using a VW Passat 1.8T FWD engine and transaxle. It's in-line not transverse but similar in concept to what you're asking about.
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Sanzomat

posted on 3/9/21 at 02:12 PM Reply With Quote
Don't forget all of the GTM's from Cox through Heery/Coupe, Rossa 1,2 and K3 and then the Libra/Spyder.

Prior to K3 Rossa they were all mini engined with a mini front subframe at the back. K3 onwards Rover K series and the very later Libra/Spyder had an option to use Honda (and even a couple of Toyota ones for the export market).

Rover K series has been used in many mid engined cars including of course the Lotus Elise S1 and S2 and various kits such as the Marlin 5Exi

There is also the Sonic7 that uses Mk1 Focus engine/gearbox mounted mid/rear. That project has just been sold on but still using the Equilibrium name. Was originally another MEV design.

On the GTM theme, Hambly sportcars are (kind of) still marketing a new incarnation of the orginal GTM coupe that uses Fiesta Zetec engine/box mid mounted.

The Raffo Belva used Ford Zetec amidships too.

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Myke 2463

posted on 3/9/21 at 03:52 PM Reply With Quote
Midlana

If you like a challenge check out the Midlana.





Be Lucky Mike.

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nick205

posted on 3/9/21 at 05:49 PM Reply With Quote
Thank you, some to check out.

I have a Peugeot Mi16 engine and gearbox in mind (as I have them available to use). Happy to modify something to use what I have though.

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russbost

posted on 3/9/21 at 07:18 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nick205
Thank you, some to check out.

I have a Peugeot Mi16 engine and gearbox in mind (as I have them available to use). Happy to modify something to use what I have though.


I'm sure you could drop that in the back of a Furore, perhaps with some minor mods!





Furore Formula Car - the only two seater modern Formula Car lookalike. I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours. http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1

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nick205

posted on 4/9/21 at 12:14 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
quote:
Originally posted by nick205
Thank you, some to check out.

I have a Peugeot Mi16 engine and gearbox in mind (as I have them available to use). Happy to modify something to use what I have though.


I'm sure you could drop that in the back of a Furore, perhaps with some minor mods!



You may have a good point

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ianhurley20

posted on 4/9/21 at 09:37 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Myke 2463
If you like a challenge check out the Midlana.



My money would be on the Midlana as well CorseChris on here has done a brilliant build - documented on here https://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/topic/127535-non-westfield-build/

Ok bit of a challenge but it gives you lots of freedom to decide on spec and build and keeps the old 7 very much in mind





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jacko

posted on 5/9/21 at 02:38 PM Reply With Quote
Not a kit but I always liked the lotus europa
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nick205

posted on 6/9/21 at 07:42 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Russell
I've got a mid-engined Spire GTR using a VW Passat 1.8T FWD engine and transaxle. It's in-line not transverse but similar in concept to what you're asking about.



Always thought that VAG transmission would lend itself to that sort of application. Seemed a shame in their tin tops as it pushed the engine so far forward over the front axle, but for better suited for the application you describe (and I'm after).

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Schrodinger

posted on 6/9/21 at 09:03 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Not a kit but I always liked the lotus europa


IIRC you could buy the Europa as a kit when it first came out to negate purchase tax.





Keith

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Mike Wood

posted on 11/9/21 at 08:27 PM Reply With Quote
What about a T89 Razorbill built from plans with a replica Lola sports racer body and VAG 1.8 turbo engine and gearbox: http://www.t89.co.uk/product/razorbill-full-plans-pack/

Cheers
Mike

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