mak
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Black and Decker drills
I'm currently on this site as my Black and Decker drill can't take no more and has started smoking. Does anyone know what i'm
melting by pushing this drill hard? (a new style orange black and decker)
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mookaloid
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 08:26 PM |
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I burnt out 2 black and decker drills and a bosch jigsaw making my car. They are one of the disposable items in car building...
Cheers
Mark
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gazza285
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 08:33 PM |
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Its usually the insulation around the armature windings that smoke when pushed hard as they overheat when overloaded.
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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mak
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 08:36 PM |
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This IS my Second!! Only bought it two weeks ago and already had it smoking.
Doubt it will last as good as my old green one, which only gave up after being abused on the pillar drill accessory. To be fair it never gave up, just
made a loud grinding sound and smoked all the time!!
The new designs seem to be a bit toy like.
If I could afford makita i'd buy it
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gazza285
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 08:56 PM |
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For what you can get them for I'd look at getting a 110v drill and transformer as they are usually industrial quality. It helps that I need 110v
for my job as I can offset the cost against my tax of course, but there you go. The only time I can get my Bosch drill smoking is when I am mixing two
pack grout, five gallon at a time with a huge, home made paddle, and even then it keeps going.
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 08:57 PM |
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get a s/h makita or blue Bosch from ebay.
s/h good tools are better than new cheap ones!
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gazza285
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 09:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mak
This IS my Second!!
"Buy cheap, buy twice" I think the saying goes.
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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mak
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 09:19 PM |
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wise words
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wilkingj
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 09:56 PM |
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I got a cheapo 1kw drill (metal gearbox one) from Argos, and paid for the additional insurance for 3 years. I have burnt out one, and am on the
replacement. They even restarted the insurance for free
Seemed like a good deal to me... the additional warranty, cos I knew it was going to get a good thrashing durning the build. Normally I dont bother
with the insurances, as they are not worth it.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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Hellfire
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 10:10 PM |
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At least a Bosch - you get what you pay for!
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James
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| posted on 6/9/05 at 11:09 PM |
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Maybe I'm being weird but I think:
"Buy once, use properly" is a better saying.
Why knacker stuff if you don't have to. If your loading stuff that highly then you're doing something wrong I'm sure! And maybe
asking to get hurt in the process too!
Anyway, it's your wallet!
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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ewanspence
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 08:01 AM |
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use a bench drill where possible
I have had a B&D mains drill for the last 9 years and use it for steel and brick etc. Used fairly frequently but with care.
When building the car most of my drilling is done by a cheal (£39.99) pillar drill from B&Q. I have had the pillar drill for around 7 years and if
you try to overload it the belt slips so you can't easily burn it out.
The pillar drill also drills through steel alot faster than a handheld.
Ewan.
Visit the MegaGrip site :-
http://www.geocities.com/ewanspence/
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JonBowden
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 08:05 AM |
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I've still got an 8 year old Black and Decker hammer drill. I have abused the stuffing out of it drilling long holes through stone. It still
works but could do with new brushes - I'm well pleased
Jon
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 09:42 AM |
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fed up with 'throw away' cheapies I finally forked out £150 for a decent Bosch cordless. never had a problem and used 'hard'
for 2.5 years now.
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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lexi
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 10:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
For what you can get them for I'd look at getting a 110v drill and transformer as they are usually industrial quality. It helps that I need 110v
for my job as I can offset the cost against my tax of course, but there you go. The only time I can get my Bosch drill smoking is when I am mixing two
pack grout, five gallon at a time with a huge, home made paddle, and even then it keeps going.
Curious about two pack grout. Is it for heavy duty tiling and what are the chemical /materials used. I assume it`s used for. faster curing.
Alex
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britishtrident
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 02:28 PM |
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Been using the same Black & Decker drill for 10 years no problems except the hammer action keeps turning itself on **** ***** !
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johnjulie
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 06:20 PM |
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Take it back!
Cheers John
JFDI
"Just F*****G Do It"
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Russ-Turner
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 07:19 PM |
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I'll second the Bosch and Makita shouts. I've given both brands some abuse in my time and they both stand up to the rigorous, daily abuse
of the construction industry 
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gazza285
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 08:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by lexi
quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
For what you can get them for I'd look at getting a 110v drill and transformer as they are usually industrial quality. It helps that I need 110v
for my job as I can offset the cost against my tax of course, but there you go. The only time I can get my Bosch drill smoking is when I am mixing two
pack grout, five gallon at a time with a huge, home made paddle, and even then it keeps going.
Curious about two pack grout. Is it for heavy duty tiling and what are the chemical /materials used. I assume it`s used for. faster curing.
Alex
Its not tilling grout, its a grout for setting steel posts into drilled concrete. I use it at work when we are fitting stainless (usually, but can be
galvanised steel) handrailing and balustrading into paved steps and ramp. You drill a hole 15 to 20mm bigger diameter, set up the posts plumb, wedge
them in with small wooden wedges and pour in the grout. A quick curing time is needed as the railings are usually in a public area and time is of the
essence, especially if its job and knock. .
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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caber
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 08:23 PM |
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I agree with take it back. There is a requirement to provide product fit for purpose and most peope in most DIY sheds and cheap tool shops won't
be in a position to argue and are generaly told not to. I have done this with a few cheapie electrical tools and never had an argument about the swop
, it heps to have the original receipt or a credit card statement proving you bought it from them
Best of uck
Caber
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lexi
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| posted on 7/9/05 at 10:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
quote:
Originally posted by lexi
quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
For what you can get them for I'd look at getting a 110v drill and transformer as they are usually industrial quality. It helps that I need 110v
for my job as I can offset the cost against my tax of course, but there you go. The only time I can get my Bosch drill smoking is when I am mixing two
pack grout, five gallon at a time with a huge, home made paddle, and even then it keeps going.
Curious about two pack grout. Is it for heavy duty tiling and what are the chemical /materials used. I assume it`s used for. faster curing.
Alex
Its not tilling grout, its a grout for setting steel posts into drilled concrete. I use it at work when we are fitting stainless (usually, but can be
galvanised steel) handrailing and balustrading into paved steps and ramp. You drill a hole 15 to 20mm bigger diameter, set up the posts plumb, wedge
them in with small wooden wedges and pour in the grout. A quick curing time is needed as the railings are usually in a public area and time is of the
essence, especially if its job and knock..
Gotcha! It`s Polyester resin with a sand type filler. Same as the stuff I use for anchors in walls with threaded rod. I remember when they poured
lead in to the stanchions.
Alex
[Edited on 7/9/05 by lexi]
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Rorty
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| posted on 8/9/05 at 04:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
Maybe I'm being weird but I think:
"Buy once, use properly" is a better saying.
Why knacker stuff if you don't have to. If your loading stuff that highly then you're doing something wrong I'm sure! And maybe
asking to get hurt in the process too!
Here here! If you're burning the things out, then your bits are either dull or you've got little knowledge of, or respect for your tools.
I wouldn't say I give my tools an easy life, but I've never damaged one like that.
In order of quality:
- Makita
- DeWalt
- Bosch
I have fourteen Makita powertools and they don't get better than them.
DeWalt 18V cordless drills and angle grinder ROCK!
Unfortunately Bosch tools aren't up to the same quality as some of their other products.
Black & Decker are only for housewives tool boxes. No self respecting man would even be caught glancing sideways at one in a tool shop!
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 8/9/05 at 07:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rorty
quote:
Originally posted by James
Maybe I'm being weird but I think:
"Buy once, use properly" is a better saying.
Why knacker stuff if you don't have to. If your loading stuff that highly then you're doing something wrong I'm sure! And maybe
asking to get hurt in the process too!
Here here! If you're burning the things out, then your bits are either dull or you've got little knowledge of, or respect for your tools.
I wouldn't say I give my tools an easy life, but I've never damaged one like that.
In order of quality:
- Makita
- DeWalt
- Bosch
I have fourteen Makita powertools and they don't get better than them.
DeWalt 18V cordless drills and angle grinder ROCK!
Unfortunately Bosch tools aren't up to the same quality as some of their other products.
Black & Decker are only for housewives tool boxes. No self respecting man would even be caught glancing sideways at one in a tool shop!
fully agree.........except! Bosch industrial (blue, not green) stuff IS very good, I would say comparable to Makita, BUT, it costs more than Makita
too!
De walt cordless stuff is unbeatable but again very expensive.
makita is by far the best combo of price and performance
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owelly
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| posted on 9/9/05 at 08:56 PM |
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I have always hankered after Dewalt stuff so when I was ordering tools for a big job at work I spent £4k on Dewalt stuff. What a waste of money. The
battery drills kept on knackering bearings. The mains drills were clumsy to use (the variable trigger was all or nothing) and they also ate chuck
bearings. The jigsaws kept lunching gearboxes. The angle grinders munched the bevel drives. etc, etc. We ended up using the old Makita stuff that we
were suposed to be scrapping.
It's not as if it was one person we could brame for abusing the stuff but several 'competent' people who should know how to use
tools (and were personally accountable for them). The old Makita stuff is still going strong and most of it is over 6 years old.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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gazza285
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| posted on 9/9/05 at 09:10 PM |
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I have found Dewalt to be better at being a desirable brand name than a tool manufacturer. Everything I have is Bosch Industrial/professional exept
for my 9" grinder, that's a Metabo, and my broaching machine, that's a Rotabroach.
I suppose its different when these tools are making you money rather than a hobby.
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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