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Noodle

posted on 18/10/06 at 10:35 AM Reply With Quote
Adios TVR!

They're moving production abroad.

Poo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6062084.stm

Hell in a hand cart etc.

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posted on 18/10/06 at 10:44 AM Reply With Quote
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clanger

posted on 18/10/06 at 10:49 AM Reply With Quote
Yet another slice of British manufacturing gone forever.

Another UK based automotive supplier I worked for years ago recently announced closure at the end of 2007. 250 decent paid jobs going to Eastern Europe

Yippee, we'll all be working in call centers and supermarkets soon.................................................

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Hellfire

posted on 18/10/06 at 11:14 AM Reply With Quote
250 jobs?

Directly yes... what about the sub-contractors, suppliers and associated related workers who will also loose their jobs as a result. An increase in unemployemnt announced today to 1.7 million? Pull the other one!!! It's about time the (fake) registered disabled and claimants on the Social had to work to earn/keep their handouts. Oh hang on - what jobs, the immigrants got them all!

Not a racist at all but I think this country is properly shi tting it...

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omega 24 v6

posted on 18/10/06 at 11:42 AM Reply With Quote
Just heard the news on the radio
I have to agree with Steve from Hellfire re the wasters in this country.
We have some Poles with us working at the moment as, do many local companies. They are keen reliable and good workers (80 percent of them at least) and even they can't work out how the skivers in britain get away with it.
Soon we will be a third world country and all the business's will be back here for the cheap labour. What goes around comes around.

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ch1ll1

posted on 18/10/06 at 11:55 AM Reply With Quote
at least we still make london taxis !






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DavidM

posted on 18/10/06 at 12:06 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ch1ll1
at least we still make london taxis !


Yes but there's something seriously wrong when this is the largest British owned car manufacturer.

I'm with Hellfire, the country is going to sh*te.

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ch1ll1

posted on 18/10/06 at 12:12 PM Reply With Quote
i agree too

there are too many people allowed in here !

you never see them with poo trainers on or crap clothes!
cause we pay for them !
and give them our jobs!
i spend alot of time in africa,
where, if i could afford to work i would earn around £7 a month !
but as im english the bribes you have to pay and english prices means i carnt afford to do so !
they look at us as kings ( in there eyes we are ) and i never get anything for free over there !

not that i want too !

[Edited on 18/10/06 by ch1ll1]

[Edited on 18/10/06 by ch1ll1]






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StevieB

posted on 18/10/06 at 12:16 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
250 jobs?

Directly yes... what about the sub-contractors, suppliers and associated related workers who will also loose their jobs as a result. An increase in unemployemnt announced today to 1.7 million? Pull the other one!!! It's about time the (fake) registered disabled and claimants on the Social had to work to earn/keep their handouts. Oh hang on - what jobs, the immigrants got them all!

Not a racist at all but I think this country is properly shi tting it...

Steve


Most of TVR's components were made on site - essentially, they were not much more than a well planned locost (hicost?).

The raw materials suppliers might be up the creek though - although a few may still be able to supply certain materials even to overseas factories, especially if they've been chosen for a specific quality of material (leather supply etc.)






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Jumpy Guy

posted on 18/10/06 at 12:20 PM Reply With Quote
eh? before the Daily Mail brigade get their knickers in a twist, TVR going away is nowt to do with immigration

its to do with inefficient british manufacturinig techniques, companies run on victorian values, lack of investment in new technology

but more importantly - not enough people buying the cars.

that simple.

how many people here own a tvr?

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Hammerhead

posted on 18/10/06 at 12:22 PM Reply With Quote
the leather is most likely to come from italy, eastern europe or brazil so that wont help our economy.

Aren't TVR's Sierra based? might impact our parts supply.

[Edited on 18/10/06 by Hammerhead]

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zxrlocost

posted on 18/10/06 at 12:42 PM Reply With Quote
if britain still had victorian values we would still Rule the world

can you show us what Labours values have done

I cant see anything apart from looking out my window now 6 scum bags sitting on a bench drinking SKOL

and wow wee "2 Community we'll work for free cause were Saft Officers"


and guess what there doing booking parked Cars

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Jumpy Guy

posted on 18/10/06 at 12:55 PM Reply With Quote
"if britain still had victorian values we would still rule the world"

not true at all. We only ruled the world during victorias reign by systematic barbarity, ethnic cleansing, and generally being horrible to everyone we met.

not acceptable then, and even less so now.

I ask the question again- how many people on this site actually walked the walk with TVR?
how many people parted with hard earned cash?
We are all petrolheads, we should be pretty much the target audience for a new or used TVR...

Very few people bought them.

nowt to do with any layabout outside your house. If you wanted to protect British industry, then you should have bought a TVR, and you should have bought a Rover if you couldnt afford the TVR.....

Me? never owned a Rover, never owned a TVR. Just like the majority of folk who then moan when the companies go bust.

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Peteff

posted on 18/10/06 at 01:07 PM Reply With Quote
Aren't TVR's Sierra based?

None of the ones I've seen are, they are mostly bespoke parts. The welding on the ones I've seen was nothing to shout about though and the body design has never appealed to me. There were some nice Polish lads living down the road from us a while back working in a local boiler factory whie the lads who live round here are happier drawing their dole, chasing skirt and playing footy on the street instead of working, wasters who will probably have 2 or 3 kids by different teenage mothers and not pay a penny into the system while relying on the state to support them and their offspring. Fair play to the immigrant workforce who do their bit before going back with their bit of cash.





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zxrlocost

posted on 18/10/06 at 01:10 PM Reply With Quote
we ruled the world because we had geniuses like Brunel

We had a rail Network that got things there ON TIME carrying multiple Cargo

and yes the scum bags have everything to do with it because this is ENGLAND today!!!!

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zxrlocost

posted on 18/10/06 at 01:14 PM Reply With Quote
Peteff has just added to my point about modern britain..

I own a Rover

a lot of people own owned rovers

its got nothing to do with whos owned one because they are most likely second hand anyway

Its more to do with the fact hard working people havent got a job

NO JOB no paying the bills

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marktigere1

posted on 18/10/06 at 01:14 PM Reply With Quote
I've got 2 Rovers and owned 5 in total.

Didn't save Rover though

Mark





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If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
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StevieB

posted on 18/10/06 at 01:20 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
"if britain still had victorian values we would still rule the world"

not true at all. We only ruled the world during victorias reign by systematic barbarity, ethnic cleansing, and generally being horrible to everyone we met.




That's what Victorian values were! Why make peace and negotiate trade when you can enslave the people, kill the opposers and take what you want in half the time.

But you're right - not the most pretty way of doing things (but, unfortunately, it's human nature and the way of the world).

I owned a Rover and would have bought a TVR if I could have - I love my british cars.

However, the Rover was a terribly bad car and I had a friend who has a TVR tuscan, and the back window popped out at speed whilst the targa roof was open due to the air pressure in the back. They'd have sold more cars if you couldn't go and get a Porsche/Merc/BMW for the same money, silimar performance, vastly more civilised (Booooooooooo! - I like the rawness of TVR's) and far better built.

The others may lack the design flair that TVR have (IMO), but people want to spend that mouch money on a car to drive it, not sit in it while you wait for the AA to tow you home.

And the reason we have loads of foreign workers (particularly Polish):

1. They're not afraid a good days work for the money!

2. Most of the younger workforce coming forward these days have been to university, got themselves a dgree and want to be a manager or consultant etc. (guilty myself of this) and there's far fewer people left to actually do the doing rather than manage the doing. Britain's skilled labour will be on the decline rapidly.

[Edited on 18/10/06 by StevieB]






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flak monkey

posted on 18/10/06 at 02:00 PM Reply With Quote
I said it would happen when a foreign bloke bought the business...

I will also back up the fact that a lot of immigrant workers work damn hard for their money. We have a lot around at home working on farms picking veg and stuff and they are all on miniumum wage which the agencies then take a chunk of. All the people who employ them all say they are very hard workers, and never complain. Some of them have recently been complaining about eachother, which is amusing, saying they cant get work!

Britain is a consumerist society, we all want everything as cheap, fast and easy as possible. Who shops in tescos for their veg? - which has probably been grown in Egypt! Why not shop at a local farm shop/green grocer whose produce is far nicer? Because we cant be bothered and would rather buy everything in one place, no matter how crap it may be. This results in price battles between all businesses, which forces products to be sourced from lower income countries, which in turn results in jobs being lost over here - this is evident in all industries be it food or auto. We demand the highest standard of living for the lowest cost, which makes us a very rich country. However it wrecks the internal 'economy' of the place. You buy the cheapest car, its most likely to be malaysian or something 'better' from france - the quality is shite, but its cheap so you dont care, right?

British industry is very stuck in its ways, you try to talk to managers about better techniques and they dont listen, or half heartedly attempt to implement the technique, while also trying to mix it with their old way of doing things. No one is willing to stand up and make a drastic change to the way british inductry functions. The fact is, we have the knowledge (look who built up the Japanese industry after WW2 - UK and US engineers) the thing is people dont listen.

We are stuck producing very specialist items, based on high technology and innovation. Companies that produce these itmes tend to be small and specialised themselves and so employ a very small proportion of the population.

David

[Edited on 18/10/06 by flak monkey]





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DavidM

posted on 18/10/06 at 02:19 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
eh? before the Daily Mail brigade get their knickers in a twist, TVR going away is nowt to do with immigration

its to do with inefficient british manufacturinig techniques, companies run on victorian values, lack of investment in new technology

but more importantly - not enough people buying the cars.

that simple.

how many people here own a tvr?


I actually think it's to do with labour rates of between £2 and £3 per hour in eastern block countries.

David





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Hammerhead

posted on 18/10/06 at 02:36 PM Reply With Quote
does that mean we will get cheaper TVR's? doubt it!!

By the way, the Griffith had Sierra bits.

[Edited on 18/10/06 by Hammerhead]

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spaximus

posted on 18/10/06 at 02:54 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
"if britain still had victorian values we would still rule the world"

not true at all. We only ruled the world during victorias reign by systematic barbarity, ethnic cleansing, and generally being horrible to everyone we met.

not acceptable then, and even less so now.

I ask the question again- how many people on this site actually walked the walk with TVR?
how many people parted with hard earned cash?
We are all petrolheads, we should be pretty much the target audience for a new or used TVR...

Very few people bought them.

nowt to do with any layabout outside your house. If you wanted to protect British industry, then you should have bought a TVR, and you should have bought a Rover if you couldnt afford the TVR.....

Me? never owned a Rover, never owned a TVR. Just like the majority of folk who then moan when the companies go bust.


Victorian values were better than those we have now that's for sure. Yes there was abject poverty, but even the poor belived that working for what you got was the right thing to do, not sitting there waiting for a hand out.
Yes we did oppress the Empire, but has the freedoms that they now have improved many of those countries, the Empire was replaced by warlords like Mugabe.
Victorians celebrated progress and people who made things, engineers like Brunel, Stevenson. we on the other hand worship at the alter of celebrity, where a half witted over weight girl can become a millionaire because of Big Brother. People who want to build things in this country are shackled with red tape and taxes, the very taxes that will be given by the EU to whatever newcomer country takes TVR as a new company as part of some huge bribe.

As for putting my money where my mouth is, we bought a new MGTF only to see the company go down the tubes a year later, I have always tried to buy British wherever I could but it is difficult when we have a country who will pay £100 for chinese made Nike shoes yet won't pay for fresh food and meat produced in the UK.
The workers at TVR have been let down by the owners who are let down by the UK goverment. It is a wonder why anyone makes anything in the UK now where we are hamstrung by red tape, Health & safety, political correctness and all the other things that stop decent right minded people doing worthwile work. Foregot to add I also have a new Jaguar X type on order as well whilst they are still built in Britain.

[Edited on 18/10/06 by spaximus]

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posted on 18/10/06 at 03:24 PM Reply With Quote
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Hellfire

posted on 18/10/06 at 03:56 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy

its to do with inefficient british manufacturinig techniques, companies run on victorian values, lack of investment in new technology

but more importantly - not enough people buying the cars.

that simple.

how many people here own a tvr?


Jumpy - where in gods name do you get your facts?

have you ever been to a European manufacturing facility?? I have hundreds... I advise on how to manufacture! Dont talk to me about inefficiency... the only continent expanding at the moment is the Eastern - China, India etc. China is switching on 1 NEW COAL FIRED power station every 10 seconds!!! India has formulated a plan to buy CORUS...

It is simple yes - CHEAP LABOUR the chinese are on £3/month thats why the largest automotive producing companies in the world are going there!

A bit of research wouldn't go amiss!

Steve






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Hellfire

posted on 18/10/06 at 03:59 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by spaximus
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
Foregot to add I also have a new Jaguar X type on order as well whilst they are still built in Britain.

[Edited on 18/10/06 by spaximus]


Not in three years they're not! Oh how the sands of time change! Oh and the gearboxs' - GETRAG... English, British or UK? Gmbh...

I work for a Japanese company, drive a German owned Czech car, made in Hungary! Go figure....

& whilst we're on the subject of exploitation.. . entrepreners in China are subcontracting their work out to Africa 'cos it's even cheaper!!!!

(OH MY GOD!!) Calm down!!!

<Chill pill taken!

[Edited on 18-10-06 by Hellfire]






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