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blakep82

posted on 27/5/08 at 04:00 PM Reply With Quote
what does "not for hire or reward " mean?

one of my friends is in a band and are playing in oban. they want to get a minibus together to get some support up there too and asked me to drive it. I'm 25, passed my car test in 2000, which means i can't drive things like minibuses, but we found this

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/DG_4022619

which seems to say i can, but i'm guessing it can only be one that is owned by someone (like we can't hire a minibus)

but what does 'not for hire or reward' actually mean?







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Mole

posted on 27/5/08 at 04:03 PM Reply With Quote
hire or reward usually means to drive around fee paying passengers.
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Kriss

posted on 27/5/08 at 04:04 PM Reply With Quote
aint got time to read the link, but I am the Product manager for MORE TH>N.

In the industry, "Hire or Reward", in layman terms is either:

Hire - Taxi driver
Reward - Pizza delivery boy

If you are being paid (rewarded) to deliver a band, then you may be deemed to be doing the above.

Good luck

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blakep82

posted on 27/5/08 at 04:11 PM Reply With Quote
the link says...

Holders of a full category B (car) driving licence may drive any of the vehicles listed below:

a passenger carrying vehicle manufactured more than 30 years before the date when it is driven and not used for hire or reward or for the carriage of more than 8 passengers
a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats provided the following conditions are met:
i. the vehicle is used for social purposes by a non-commercial body but not for hire or reward
ii. the driver is aged 21 iii. the driver has held a car (category B) licence for at least 2 years
iv. the driver is providing the service on a voluntary basis
v. the minibus maximum weight is not more than 3.5 tonnes or 4.25 tonnes including any specialist equipment for the carriage of disabled passengers

i wouldn't be getting paid to drive them (in fact i'd probably end up having to chip in to pay for the hire of the minibus!*)

so i'd not be making a penny from it,

* the link also says

"When driving a minibus under these conditions you may not receive any payment or consideration for doing so other than out of pocket expenses or tow any size trailer"

so if we all chip in for the hire of the minibus and fuel, thats the out of pocket expenses.

so i assume from that, i can do it, as i'm not making money, not for business, and it would all be friends of mine anyway.
they asked me coz they each person trusts me driving more than any of the other guys in the band lol





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matt_claydon

posted on 27/5/08 at 04:24 PM Reply With Quote
Yes, that's correct, you are fine in this scenario as long as you do not accept any payment for your services.

Where the vehicle comes from is irrelevant.

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blakep82

posted on 27/5/08 at 04:26 PM Reply With Quote
cool

i spoke to a van hire place today and he said my license doesn't allow it (at all) fine if thats their policy. i won't argue with them over their policy, but i just wanted to make sure i could do it





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Macbeast

posted on 27/5/08 at 04:57 PM Reply With Quote
Looks as if you meet the conditions (i) to (v) perfectly.
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zzr1100rick2

posted on 27/5/08 at 05:08 PM Reply With Quote
isnt there a requirment for a B1 licence if you passed your test after a certain date if over 9 or 10 seats
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charlierevell

posted on 27/5/08 at 05:10 PM Reply With Quote
You can drive one... they just might not hire one to you for their insurances etc etc...

I Had this problem with a Van last year. Wanted a LWB transit type van when i was 22 to move some stuff for work and they refused it, a week later at 23 it was fine.

Once you hit 21 you could also drive the University minibuses when i was there.





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eznfrank

posted on 27/5/08 at 05:15 PM Reply With Quote
As above the hire company will be best to ask but IIRC most of them will want you to be at least 30. Nowt to do with licence conditions more just their own internal policies.
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RK

posted on 27/5/08 at 05:41 PM Reply With Quote
Drive the band around; don't get paid (nobody has to know anything... maybe they'll throw a groupie your way, just don't tell the licensing people); you're OK, the licence is OK.
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Mr Whippy

posted on 27/5/08 at 07:32 PM Reply With Quote
its to do with the insurance, a friend (who's a bus driver) own his own London bus and he can drive it around with as many passenger it is rated for but is not allowed to (officially) get any payment for it, fortunately its actually quite good on the diesel.






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rusty nuts

posted on 27/5/08 at 08:34 PM Reply With Quote
I have a neighbour who owns a minibus company with several buses. He has angina and isn't allowed to carry passengers on his insurance, however he can hire a minibus from a hire company and carry non fare paying passengers . Insurance companies make up the rules to what suits them
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