Shamrock GS
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 03:22 PM |
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If not an 'Alpha Twin Cam' then what?
Thanks for the advice yesterday (See Alpha twin cam / pinto swap ). Perhaps an Alpha enghine will be too much hassle. So.....
The question now is what engine to use instead? Everyone has a Zetec and I fancy something a bit different. Needs to be light (or certainly lighter
than my pinto), would be great if it could attach to my type 9 'box (but not essential) and not require a degree in electronics to get running.
Think outside the box gentlemen....
Gary
[Edited on 18/7/08 by Shamrock GS]
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Gezza
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 03:24 PM |
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bike engine, bike engine, bike engine
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 03:25 PM |
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It's Alfa. I don't know why, but that really bugs me 
I don't know if the littler zetec S engines use the same bellhousing as the bigger ford blocks? They're supposedly really light, revvy
little units.
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whitestu
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 03:25 PM |
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What about a 1.6 Sigma from a Focus. They are nice and light and supposed to be cracking little engines.
Damn - beat me to it!
You'd need a bellhousing adaptor to connect to a type 9, but on the plus side the exhaust comes out the same side as the Pinto.
Stu
[Edited on 18/7/08 by whitestu]
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coozer
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 03:25 PM |
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Zetec SE? all alloy Yamaha engine...
How about a Toyota Corrola T Sport engine? Again all alloy and actually manufactired by Yamaha not just designed as above
4Age? Chevy V8? Saab Turbo? Ford small block?
Loads to choose from that can whack the ar€e off a bike engine...
Hiding...
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Gezza
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 03:27 PM |
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ouch!!
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worX
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 03:30 PM |
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HA hAhAHhahah aha.. ooohhhhh.. HHAAHAHAAHAHA AHH AH AHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHaaaaa.....quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Zetec SE? all alloy Yamaha engine...
How about a Toyota Corrola T Sport engine? Again all alloy and actually manufactired by Yamaha not just designed as above
4Age? Chevy V8? Saab Turbo? Ford small block?
Loads to choose from that can whack the ar€e off a bike engine...
Hiding...
[Edited on 18/7/08 by worX]
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mr henderson
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 04:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Loads to choose from that can whack the ar€e off a bike engine...
A rover 3.9 v8 could not only "whack the ar€e off a bike engine..." but would then chop that ar€e into little pieces, pan fry them and
serve them with a simple salad and some Heinz salad cream
John
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simoto
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 06:50 PM |
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pah, then understeer through the first hedge!
Used to have the 8v old school alfa twinc in a mk2. Super engine and a very strong 5 spd box in most applications by zf i think. 100% reliable three
seasons and in two shells.
Old hat now like i spose, gotta be a bike engine shirley in this application if your gonna be logical about it.
Try 2 twins as a v4 and enjoy creamy drive and traction to die for.........
striker/blade now complete, thanks to all on this site.
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jacko
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 07:25 PM |
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rx7----8 rotary
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mawmaw
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 08:05 PM |
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I would second the zetec se option. Pick up a cracking engine for £200 from the breakers. Works best with a set of carbs or injectors off a bike.
Standard tune about 145 bhp or 160bhp with a set of cams. the bellhousing is about £200. My main advice is run a accusump. If you do reliability is a
cert. They have tiny big end bearings so need oil pressure at all times!
Mark
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mookaloid
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| posted on 18/7/08 at 09:49 PM |
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ST170
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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Johnmor
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| posted on 19/7/08 at 07:03 AM |
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Fiat/lancia twin cam, old but cheap, bullet proof, sounds great, 150hp easy, mates to fiat 131 rear wheel drive box.
Miles ahead of a pinto,no electrics to worry about.
Easy
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Shamrock GS
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| posted on 19/7/08 at 10:56 AM |
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And the prize goes to......
Johnmor!
Like the idea of this and the engine looks great.
The Zetec 1600S is tempting although power wont be much up on my pinto (150bhp).
Off to fleabay for a fiat twincam!
Cheers
Gary
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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whitestu
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| posted on 19/7/08 at 08:17 PM |
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AS much as I like old Fiat / Lancia TCs, its very old technology compared to a Zetec SE.
Stu
[Edited on 19/7/08 by whitestu]
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mawmaw
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| posted on 20/7/08 at 07:57 PM |
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and about 50kgs heavier, and you could keep your old gearbox! and your exhaust comes out the right side
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Simon
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| posted on 20/7/08 at 08:23 PM |
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V8 period
ATB
Simon
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 20/7/08 at 09:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mawmaw
and about 50kgs heavier, and you could keep your old gearbox!
He'd have to buy an aftermarket bellhousing though, the Zetec SE doesn't use the old Ford bolt pattern.
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whitestu
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| posted on 21/7/08 at 08:53 AM |
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I think the SE would produce more power as well. Bear in mind the 2.0 TC produced about 130 hp in Fiats / Lancias with twin carbs no emmissions stuff
on it.
Stu
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mawmaw
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| posted on 21/7/08 at 06:38 PM |
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my se produces about 175bhp on race cams but for road use the rally cams are much nicer and very very tractable. also you can just throw them in. The
race cams require cut outs in the pistons which is a bit of a bore as you have to split the engine. The last time we put some rally cams in the whole
job took about an hour and that included grinding some shims down!
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Shamrock GS
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| posted on 22/7/08 at 07:34 PM |
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Maybe a zetec is the way to go after all. 1.6 sounds a bit revvy but is the right way round for the exhaust.
1.8 will bolt straight to the type 9 'box and with a slightly fruitier cam would be well up on pinto power. Could also use my current twin 40s.
Would need to make a new bonnet lid for the exhaust though.
Does anyone know where I could get a zetec exhaust made to measure?
Gary
[Edited on 22/7/08 by Shamrock GS]
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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mawmaw
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| posted on 22/7/08 at 09:28 PM |
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unfortunately the 1.8 has the exhaust on the wrong side and also has an iron block so is heavy. Stick with the 1.6, you can get an exhaust from any
number of people powerspeed in kent did mine and were very helpful about £450 from memory
you are quite right about the bellhousing the iron block 1.8 would be ok with your bellhousing but is basically a reheaded cvh so is OLD technology
[Edited on 22/7/08 by mawmaw]
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