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Teesside Video battle of the kawasaki's

PAUL FISHER - 24/4/08 at 06:59 PM

A bit more of Teesside,about 3 minutes into the video,ZX10R meets ZX12R Hellfire,let battle commence,great fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW0dSH4fUTY

bigrich - 24/4/08 at 07:15 PM

Cracking footage Paul,
would you say that the zx10r is a pretty safe motor after the track work you have done recently, and did you ever get a baffle plate for it or not

Rich

worX - 24/4/08 at 07:31 PM

A Billet sump for the ZX10R may be coming soon if you two want more peace of mind!!!

Steve

Hellfire - 24/4/08 at 08:44 PM

Nice bit of video Paul... that engine seems good but the real difference is the difference in chassis. It's amazing how much of an improvement that new chassis is over the old one...

I still think the 12 has the edge...

Steve

eznfrank - 24/4/08 at 08:46 PM

I'm sure the new one handles real well but I just think it doesn't look quite right with coilovers tucked away.

Coose - 24/4/08 at 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by Hellfire

I still think the 12 has the edge...

Steve

Sorry old chap, but from where I was stood the 12 was being nicely reeled in!!!

Hellfire - 24/4/08 at 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Coose

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Originally posted by Hellfire

I still think the 12 has the edge...

Steve

Sorry old chap, but from where I was stood the 12 was being nicely reeled in!!!

Which brings me back to the point about the chassis... Paul said himself on the back straight we had the edge. Put your little wooden spoon away you

to add to that it was me driving - I haven't driven our car for 6 months!!!!

Pauls' car was being hard accelerated mid-corner, if I'd have tried that in ours, I'd have ended up in many a gravel trap - oh hang on a bit - I did!!!

I still had loads of fun - pottering along... but I'm not happy at all with the way ours handled. Still, now it's damaged it may be time to move on...

Steve

[Edited on 24-4-08 by Hellfire]

jacko - 24/4/08 at 09:21 PM

Was Keith driving

PAUL FISHER - 24/4/08 at 09:57 PM

I would agree with Steve on the new chassis,because I am not that good a driver,there's a even bigger difference between it and the old chassis than even I first thought when I drove the 1st one at donnington 2 years ago,you can get the power down much earlier out of the corners,also I was cheating a bit with a trickshifter,full throttle upshifts has got to make a couple of metres per gearchange,I might have forgot to tell Steve I had one of them fitted

PAUL FISHER - 24/4/08 at 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by bigrich
Cracking footage Paul,
would you say that the zx10r is a pretty safe motor after the track work you have done recently, and did you ever get a baffle plate for it or not

Rich

Touch wood Rich,no problems yet,Malc said they would be ok,and so far he's right.Ive not got a baffle fitted either,Andy at AB performance has offered to make some if I can get him a engine down to him,but I am too bone idle to go all the way down there.
Done a Cadwell,Bruntingthorpe on slicks

,and now Teesside,so its bound to go now,and someone will say,I told you so

going to bruntingthorpe again on Saturday,so fingers crossed.

I would be interested in a billet sump Steve "worX" have you any details

IDONTBELEIVEIT - 24/4/08 at 10:21 PM

top vid,just come down from me workshop for a quick beer,and some inspiration,just what i needed,back to me build

Hellfire - 24/4/08 at 10:28 PM

Paul,

When you removed your bonnet I realised what we were up against. The trickshifter that Alan (wadders) has made a massive difference on upshifts. I was well impressed!

I would say that the new chassis (together with a full roll cage) made the whole setup stiffer and more predictable. When I was spectating on the fast left negative camber corner - you were accelerating mid-pre corner, in the original Indy there is very little you could do with this as it just spits you off at almost every opportunity on a track.

Steve

Dragon-Performance-Eu - 25/4/08 at 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by Hellfire

I'm not happy at all with the way ours handled. Still, now it's damaged it may be time to move on...

Coose - 25/4/08 at 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Hellfire
Which brings me back to the point about the chassis... Paul said himself on the back straight we had the edge. Put your little wooden spoon away you to add to that it was me driving - I haven't driven our car for 6 months!!!!

I'm just jealous as you lot were out on track and I wasn't....

I'll have a Fury/Phoenix in a few years though, you mark my words!

worX - 25/4/08 at 10:59 AM

Sent you a U2U mate!

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Originally posted by PAUL FISHERI would be interested in a billet sump Steve "worX" have you any details

Hellfire - 25/4/08 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Dragon-Performance-Eu

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Originally posted by Hellfire

I'm not happy at all with the way ours handled. Still, now it's damaged it may be time to move on...

All the other Indys apart from ours seemed to be handling quite well though, so there's scope for improvement.

Dragon-Performance-Eu - 25/4/08 at 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Hellfire

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Originally posted by Dragon-Performance-Eu

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Originally posted by Hellfire

I'm not happy at all with the way ours handled. Still, now it's damaged it may be time to move on...

All the other Indys apart from ours seemed to be handling quite well though, so there's scope for improvement.

So whats the problem, a rogue chassis or badly put together ?

Guinness - 25/4/08 at 11:49 AM

Looks like Peter managed to capture the battle!

Mike

PAUL FISHER - 25/4/08 at 11:53 AM

Did you get any footage Steve from your camera after I went passed,be good to link the two together,and see how mine looked from behind in the handling department

Hellfire - 25/4/08 at 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Dragon-Performance-Eu
So whats the problem, a rogue chassis or badly put together ?

Could possibly be wear on the bushes. Difficult to say really until we take them apart. Talking about "badly put together", you never did attend many shows or trackdays. I wonder why?....................

Phil

PS - Paul, we've got some good footage of yours from behind.

[Edited on 25-4-08 by Hellfire]

Dragon-Performance-Eu - 25/4/08 at 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Hellfire
Could possibly be wear on the bushes. Difficult to say really until we take them apart. Talking about "badly put together", you never did attend many shows or trackdays. I wonder why?....................

Phil

[Edited on 25-4-08 by Hellfire]

hehehe..............

Those who are comfortable with their own work have no need to show and seek the praise of others.

Andy D - 25/4/08 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Hellfire

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Originally posted by Dragon-Performance-Eu

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Originally posted by Hellfire

I'm not happy at all with the way ours handled. Still, now it's damaged it may be time to move on...

All the other Indys apart from ours seemed to be handling quite well though, so there's scope for improvement.

I have some vid following the Hellfire car two up, and actually looks a lot more stable in the corners. Compared with my current youtube effort, the lines look a bit better, so possibly the better driver of the two..

(There's another can of worms opened! )
Will try to persuade son, Pete to get it onto youtube this weekend.

Hellfire - 25/4/08 at 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Dragon-Performance-Eu

hehehe..............

Those who are comfortable with their own work have no need to show and seek the praise of others.

And those who perceive wrongly, usually end up deleting their posts.

Phil

Jon Ison - 25/4/08 at 02:37 PM

Can any of you tell me what pressures your tyres where getting up to ?

Hellfire - 25/4/08 at 03:10 PM

As there were three drivers Andy together with Phil and I trying to gain a decent line in view of our handling problems there would likely be little consistancy between laps.

Hey - none of us have had any driver training (I have about 20 years ago) and just go along for a laugh and joke with the crowd. Yes, we'd like to get better and be able to say we could 'compete' (if thats the right word) but we dont profess to being anything other than amatuer builders who built a website to try to help others.

I seem to be getting a feeling of deja vu about this thread... maybe its the company this thread has attracted!

I hope it doesn't spoil the whole LB forum again...

Steve

[Edited on 25-4-08 by Hellfire]

PAUL FISHER - 25/4/08 at 04:34 PM

Now I wish I had not started this thread

PAUL FISHER - 25/4/08 at 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Jon Ison
Can any of you tell me what pressures your tyres where getting up to ?

I checked my r888's Jon,started a 15 psi,went up t 20 psi hot,I then dropped 2 psi out of my rears then to get a bit more traction,just on the rears,and it was a little better.

Hellfire - 25/4/08 at 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by PAUL FISHER
Now I wish I had not started this thread

U2U

Steve

Wadders - 25/4/08 at 05:45 PM

Thats a bit snide M8, but i'm guessing there's history involved here?
Team Hellfires car is actually very well put together, It just needs the suspension tuning to match the relentless power it's trying to put down. The ZX12 is a fierce motor.
Parked between Hellfire and Pauls Immaculate Indys, i felt like chucking a sheet over mine

Al.

Another fantastic event BTW, big thanks to Peter for his efforts.

Originally posted by Dragon-Performance-Eu

So whats the problem, a rogue chassis or badly put together ?

matt.c - 25/4/08 at 09:29 PM

wadders, its nice to see the good old ZX9 still kicks some butt!

Coose - 26/4/08 at 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Hellfire

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Originally posted by Dragon-Performance-Eu
So whats the problem, a rogue chassis or badly put together ?

Could possibly be wear on the bushes. Difficult to say really until we take them apart.

You never seemed to have any trouble on previous track days - maybe something has been knocked out of alignment whilst being used on the road? As an example, I took my Datsun EnTrail to have the tracking checked the other week as it was knocking out front tyres (it's a company car so I'm not that bothered really) and the toe was out by 4mm!

I know exactly which pot-hole caused it, and the handling had deteriorated noticably! So, once you get it back together I'd have a good check of the alignment etc.