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falcor - 13/12/07 at 09:24 AM

Can someone please explain to me how all the different Ford setups are related...which are the same and what differs?

coozer - 13/12/07 at 10:21 AM

All but the Granada were built in Ford Genk.

Mr Whippy - 13/12/07 at 10:22 AM

I bet you lot are thinking - "I'll leave that one to Mr Whippy cos he's such a gab", but I'm busy doing reports right now

nib1980 - 13/12/07 at 11:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I bet you lot are thinking - "I'll leave that one to Mr Whippy cos he's such a gab", but I'm busy doing reports right now


I wasn't but i'm interested in your reports now

speedyxjs - 13/12/07 at 12:50 PM

MikeR - 13/12/07 at 01:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by falcor
Can someone please explain to me how all the different Ford setups are related...which are the same and what differs?


Ok, i'll have a go - bear in mind i'm bound to get this wrong....

Cortina came first, then you had mk2, mk3, mk4 and mk5. Mk 3 to 5 where basically identical. The granada may have been the cortina replacement or it was the top end version and looked from the outside identical. Underneeth it used the same engines and gearbox - not sure abuot front and rear axle (i think rear was same as sierra)

Eventually the cortina / granada became a bit old and it was replaced with the sierra. Due to ford getting a bit nervous about front wheel drive mid development they stuffed the running gear from the cortina/granada into the car. After a while an up market sierra was required - this was basically the same car but branded Granada.

Tanus .... no idea?

Escort, started early 70's as mk1, then 75 became mk2 - which was almost identical rear wheel drive, crossflow powered 4 speed car to the mk1. Mk3 came out in around 1980 and was front wheel drive, then you had mk 4, 5 and (??) 6

all this info is probably in wikipedia.org.

falcor - 13/12/07 at 01:19 PM

Ok, my reason for asking is that I'm trying to understand which uprights etc are the same between the different models...

jabs - 13/12/07 at 02:02 PM

Tanus - did you mean taunus?

Ford Taunus was a large family car sold by Ford in Germany and other countries. Some versions were similar to the Ford Cortina in the United Kingdom. The model line was named after the Taunus mountain range in Germany and was first made in 1939 and continued through several versions until 1982.

falcor - 13/12/07 at 02:52 PM

Taunus...yeah that's it...forgot how it's spelled cause I haven't seen one for like 15 years....

MikeRJ - 13/12/07 at 03:14 PM

If you want the uprights used in the "book" design then the Mk3,4 or 5 Cortina, the Taunus TC(I think) or Mk3, or the Hyundai Stellar.

All Escorts used McPherson struts and do not have uprights that can be used directly in a book Locost, but the struts can be cut down and a ball joint mounting added to make a suitable upright. Sylva and Dutton used this method on some of their cars.

The Sierra and Granada used separate front uprights on thier McPherson struts, which can by used by adding a "mushroom" adapter. The Granada has 5 stud flanges which limits the choice of wheels.

[Edited on 13/12/07 by MikeRJ]

Macbeast - 13/12/07 at 03:36 PM

I've always wondered about the Orion. Was that the front wheel drive Sierra ?

britishtrident - 13/12/07 at 03:55 PM

The Cortina Mk3 to Mk5 ( and the RWD Taunus ) were built on the MK1 & MK2 Granada floor pan chopped just ahead of the rear seat. The Granada was not only a longer wheelbase but had independant rear suspension.

The Granada models all have 5 stud wheels.

The Sierra is built on a similarly shortened Granda-Scorpio and Scorpio floor pan.


In addition the Ford P100 Cortina pickup was built on chopped version of the same floor pan with a leaf sprung rear end grafted on. --- The P100 Sierra similarly uses the later floor pan.

All the pickups have 5 stud wheels,

[Edited on 13/12/07 by britishtrident]

Marcus - 13/12/07 at 03:58 PM

No, just an Escort (Mk3) with a boot.

The Sierra was originally designed as FWD, but due to costs, the engine and gearbox from the Cortina were used with the rear being a new IRS setup. The Cortina always had a live axle.

britishtrident - 13/12/07 at 07:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Marcus
No, just an Escort (Mk3) with a boot.

The Sierra was originally designed as FWD, but due to costs, the engine and gearbox from the Cortina were used with the rear being a new IRS setup. The Cortina always had a live axle.



No the Escort Mk3 is no relation to the Sierra.
The reason why the Granada floor pans were designed to be chopped is Ford could never justify the cost of the tooling for such a costly pressing for a low volume model.
As the pressings have to be trimmed anyway so essentially no additional cost was involved apart from the six inches or so of sheet steel.

Ford had done a pressed steel sharing between the MK4 Zodiac (ugh !)and MK2 Cortina which shared doors and minor pressing

Four wheel drive was designed into the Sierra & Granada Scorpio range from the start with an eye to the Police Traffic car market, Ford UK had been involved in producing experimental 4 wheel drive Zodiac Police cars with Ferguson Research.

Macbeast - 13/12/07 at 07:44 PM

BT, I think he was answering my question about the Orion - saying it was Escort with boot. At least that's how I read it

Peteff - 13/12/07 at 08:33 PM

Little Johnny has tried hard this year but I think his grasp of mathematics is slipping a little.

Yes Orions were FWD Escorts with a boot but to confuse the issue the Escort was then released as a saloon (with a boot) as well as the hatchback version.