Benzine
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 10:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by spunky
Am I the only person that looks back fondly on the Thatcher years.?
Nope 
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 11:02 PM |
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That certainly sounds like the 'im all right jack' philosophy on which the conservatives are founded.
During those 15% periods my houses also went up in value. My first house and second house doubled in price within 5 years for each.
But so did the prices of the houses I wanted to move up into. Along with the price of everything else.
Margaret Thatcher was an evil bitch in my view that got soooo up her own a$$ that she couldnt even see that the 'poll tax' was something
nobody wanted. At least some people backed the iraq war..... i think a poll tax backer was a rare thing.
The tory period brought us multiple inner city riots, stock market crashes, uncaring govt, 3 million unemployed. They sold off 'rover'
(which may still have been going if it was state owned) and in fact sold off just about anything that made money for the state. Our 300 years supply
of coal is now in flooded pits, and the 100k plus miners and families that lived from it no doubt now work at tescos on 5.20 an hr.
atb
steve
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spunky
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 11:13 PM |
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You need to work on your timing Steve.
The property market soared in early to mid 80's......Time to sell.
By 1988 it was collapsing.....Time to buy.
Im curious, when you select which candidate you vote for is it because the chaps down the road will benefit or those living in in the inner cities? or
is the criterior really whether you will do better from that particular government.....
Thought so....... 'I'm alright jack'
john
BTW with the old rates system I was paying nearly £600/year The poll tax brought that down to less than £300 IIRC. So yep big thumbs up for the poll
tax here.
[Edited on 6/5/05 by spunky]
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 11:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by spunky
You need to work on your timing Steve.
The property market soared in early to mid 80's......Time to sell.
By 1988 it was collapsing.....Time to buy.
Im curious, when you select which candidate you vote for is it because the chaps down the road will benefit or those living in in the inner cities? or
is the criterior really whether you will do better from that particular government.....
Thought so....... 'I'm alright jack'
john
BTW with the old rates system I was paying nearly £600/year The poll tax brought that down to less than £300 IIRC. So yep big thumbs up for the poll
tax here.
[Edited on 6/5/05 by spunky]
my timing is ok.
bought house number 1 in 1980 for 12,500. sold it in 1985 for 45,000.
bought house no 2 in 1985 for 24k and sold it in 1989 for 68k. It had been values at 80k (which was nuts!) but i couldnt get full price, due to as you
say, falling markets.
My current house has nearly tripled in value in the last 15 years. Sod knows how my kids are ever going to buy a home of their own.
I select a party which obviously isnt going to shaft me up. Im financially ok..... my salary has gone up 10 fold since 1980. Whatever I earnt doesnt
change my beleif that society should be fair. I come from a council house upbringing, and realise that the better you do, the further you have to
fall. If your area of work becomes redundant, or you lose your job with no hope of a similar job on a similar salary, your safe world could pretty
much change. And the conservative values dont mean much then..... a society that looks after its people with benefits (which are next to bum all
anyway) and the NHS and the minimum wage becomes a more valuable thing.
[Edited on 6/5/05 by stephen_gusterson]
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spunky
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 11:40 PM |
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Sounds like lady Thatcher did you proud then
True, anyone wanting to buy a first home now needs a bloody syndicate or a great salary.
Don't get me started on the NHS
Atb
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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Lawnmower
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| posted on 7/5/05 at 12:09 AM |
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Incidently, Thatcher wasn't the first to introduce a poll tax... over the last ~600 years? a number of governments in the UK have tried it, ALL
have been met with rioting.
For those who think the poll tax went away, again wrong, (well kinda)
except that it is capped at 2 qualifying people who live in the house.
If there is just one person, then you get a wapping 25% discount!
Ever thought how much you would be paying per person if the Poll tax was kept? Would it be more than the £1000 pa that most people pay in coucil
tax?
btw I am looking to buy my first place, havn't seen anything at all for under 80k !!!! except a static caravan.
(I'm tired and ranting)
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Steve&Steve
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| posted on 7/5/05 at 01:48 AM |
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I can't afford a house on my own, so I'm buying one with a good friend (NO I'M NOT GAY). Found a house in leeds with a GARAGE (LOL
why's that)?
Anyway I voted labour, I dunno if this was right but I felt if tory or lib dem got in my mortgage repayments (variable rate mortage) could change
dramatically. I liked Lib dem policies, but couldnt trust them fully.
Did I wrongly place my vote (I voted Labour) ? I'm not quite sure!, What I do know is I'm bloody scared buying a property at the
moment!
Steve
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Cita
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| posted on 7/5/05 at 07:11 AM |
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Hi niceperson,
the voting allways takes place on a sunday overhere and for one or another reason,i've never seen a "social party" going on overhere
at the voting stations.
Most people are angry because "another weekend" is f"#ked up by the government.
We are "blessed" with 5!!!!!! governments and we have to ellect the European government to.
Sometimes it seems that the only thing we are doing is vote for those idiots!
We have the multiple party system meaning that you need a majority to form a government.This is usually done with 3 or more party's overhere so
it really does'nt matter who you vote for,the main party's (socialist-christian democrats-liberals) are allways in government.
Making voting mandatory is only created to give the politicians the feeling that everybody anticipated and that they are doing the "right
thing".
Apathy is indeed a big danger for democracy but who creates this apathy in first place?Not the voters but politicians.
Cheers Cita.
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 9/5/05 at 10:05 AM |
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quote:
Making voting mandatory is only created to give the politicians the feeling that everybody anticipated and that they are doing the "right
thing".
49% of eligible voters voted, so it turns out that the Labour government actually represents 22% of the population eligible to vote. To me that is
hardly representative, and if voting was compulsory, we might have a government that represents more than 1 in 5 voters.
As for the Poll/Council Tax, I could never understand why it wasn't made a percentage of earnings when the Tories introduced it. Doesn't
make sense that out a household of 4 earners for example, that only two contribute?
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DorsetStrider
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| posted on 9/5/05 at 10:28 AM |
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When I decide who to vote for I look at the party leaders and the deputies....anyone can run a country when times are good..... they question is who
is going to make the right decisions and stick to them when the brown stuff hits the fan?
Who the f**K tightened this up!
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/5/05 at 01:08 PM |
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I could never understand why it wasn't made a percentage of earnings
Because then it would have been Income Tax, duh! A house with more people does not receive more service from the Council so why should it pay
more, if you have 4 people living there they don't come and empty the bins 4 times or give you 4 separate bins so why should you pay 4 times for
the service.
[Edited on 9/5/05 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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JoelP
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| posted on 9/5/05 at 08:54 PM |
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check this for a lash - ive got two empty houses, and the respective local councils all want money from me! no chance. Do they really think im gonna
give nearly a grand a year to bolton, hull AND leeds city councils?
apparently you only get 6 months exemption for it being empty, then its back to full bat - you dont even get the 25% discount that you would if only
one person lived there! bastards...
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Simon
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| posted on 9/5/05 at 09:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gustersonThey sold off 'rover' (which may still have been going if it was state owned) and in
fact sold off just about anything that made money for the state. Our 300 years supply of coal is now in flooded pits, and the 100k plus miners and
families that lived from it no doubt now work at tescos on 5.20 an hr.
atb
steve
Steve,
I'm confused. It's not OK for Thatcher to kill off our coal industry. A dirty, smelly business, likely to give you any kind of melonoma,
that pollutes horrendously, but it's ok for B Liar to kill off Rover.
Coal cost the state money, at least MG R contributed £2 billion to UK GDP aside of (and bear in mind the £150,000,000 just given iro redundancies)
£250,000,000 per YEAR rec'd from MG-R for Direct VAT taxation plus all taxes employees suppliers etc contribute to Gordon Brown's huge
black hole. Would have made sense to nationalise.
BTT
Vote. You must be joking. Guy Fawkes had the right idea.
ATB
Simon
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flak monkey
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| posted on 9/5/05 at 09:37 PM |
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Blair didnt kill rover...! Rover was sold off during thatchers reign, up until that point it was state owned. As it is not state owned anymore, the
government has no reason to back it anymore, or save it from financial difficulty. It wasnt even obliged to offer the bridging loan in the first
place. Read my post earlier in the thread for more of the same...
Nuff said really.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Benzine
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| posted on 10/5/05 at 02:23 AM |
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Boris Johnson for PM!
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spunky
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| posted on 10/5/05 at 08:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
Boris Johnson for PM!
Here, here..... 
If Tony Blurb can allow Plunkett back into the cabinet maybe the new tory leader will ask Boris to come back.
After all they need someone to appear on Have I got News for You
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 10/5/05 at 09:20 PM |
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Simon.
Im all for industry and you need not be confused!
How old are you?
Im 46, and since I was an early teen, BMC, leyland, austin morris, rover, whatever you wanna call em, have been in shyte street.
I need not repeat the list of brit cars ive had - you can find them in my previous posts. I have been a supporter of the brit car industry since I
bought my first car - a triumph herald, followed by a mini.
There does get to be a point tho where you have to yell STOPPPP!
There is i think one of two decisions to be made - and I think europe prevents one.
1. you let rover fall to market forces. (frigin EXACTLY what darling maggie would have done...)
2. you pump in a billion or whatever it takes on the basis that its best to keep 6k jobs, and imports out, by making british cars in britain.
the market is so competitive, and the brits I think dont give a crap where things are made. Its a price performance decision. I had to buy a kettle
last week. most seem to be made in the far east, and if it was made in the uk it would no doubt have cost twice as much.
we need to sort ourselves out.
so, if coal is a smelly fuel, and gas and oil run out, and we dont make nuke power stations, exactly what do we do when it isnt a windy day? dont even
mention solar power - have you been outside recently
atb
steve
[Edited on 10/5/05 by stephen_gusterson]
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Simon
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| posted on 10/5/05 at 10:33 PM |
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"so, if coal is a smelly fuel, and gas and oil run out, and we dont make nuke power stations, exactly what do we do when it isnt a windy day?
dont even mention solar power - have you been outside recently"
Steve, Tony Blair refuses to build nuke power cos of environmental issues and the anti brigade. He's in favour of wind/solar etc (aren't
we all) but when we have no sun or wind, we'll be importing electricity from French NUCLEAR power stations.
As for coal, you said MG couldn't be supported because people don't give a crap where things come from. You're right. Coal costs
about a pound a ton in China.
On the subject of coal, did Scargill not buy his (Barbican) flat for huge discount, and make a tidy profit.
Suggest this country wakes up to the fact that everything will be imported soon.
ATB
Simon
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