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Damaged Coil? Diagnosis Required!
Ferrino - 21/8/06 at 11:02 AM

Was out testing my Translogic flatshift system last night and managed to hit a false-neutral. Slotted it back into gear and noticed power was way down and thought the worst - however, it sounded like it was just misfiring (maybe running on 1-2 cylinders) and I nursed it home at 4,000 RPM (sounded terrible).

Back in the garage, I noticed that exhaust pipes 2 & 3 were a lot cooler than 1 & 4 and upon removal of the spark plugs, I noticed the pistons of 2 & 3 looked wet (unburned fuel I guess), whereas 1 & 4 were dry. I then tested the spark plugs by turning the engine over with the plugs out and yes 2 & 3 were not working, 1 & 4 fine.

This suggests that the coil serving 2 & 3 is knackered - is it reasonable to presume that the false-neutral sent the revs sky-high and consequently blew the coil? I don't know how many revs it was doing when I was periodically in neutral but I'm guessing it was high!

If anyone has any spare carbed R1 ignition coils then please let me know!

Thanks


nitram38 - 21/8/06 at 11:34 AM

Try swapping the coils over before spending any money.


Ferrino - 21/8/06 at 11:43 AM

Hi - i took the trigger wire from the 'good' coil (which fires 1 & 4) and transferred it to the 'bad' coil to see if it would fire 2 & 3 - it did not, so I assume the problem lies with the 'bad' coil and nothing 'upstream' (I can take the trigger wire from the 'bad' coil, transfer it to the 'good' coil, and it fires 1 & 4 fine).


bike_power - 21/8/06 at 11:49 AM

Check the compression too but hope it's justs a coil !


spunky - 21/8/06 at 12:09 PM

Don't want to sound negative, but there is no reason I can think of why hi revs should blow a coil.
Hopefully it is, but more coincidance than cause.

Also rev limiter should protect the engine from any damage.

John


Coose - 21/8/06 at 01:46 PM

When you sawpped coils, did you swap plugs too? A wet plug will not fire....


Ferrino - 22/8/06 at 09:49 AM

Did the Yamaha tests on the coils and they were both fine! The only wires I did not test were the +12V feeds to the coils - one of them was dead! It is the +12V feed to each coil that is cut by the ignition-interrupt box and it seems that on the upshift, the power to both coils was cut, as normal, but one regained power and the other didn't, hence the misfire. I don't think I actually hit a false neutral at all, it probably just seemed so from the lack of power from the misfire. Have now removed interrupt box.

CHEERS!


Ferrino - 25/8/06 at 03:48 PM

One more thing - do you think I should replace the spark plugs on the non-firing cylinders? I had to drive about 6 miles with only 1 & 4 firing, to nurse the car home. ta.


Coose - 25/8/06 at 10:18 PM

Yes. Unless you bung them in the oven on gas mark 5 for an hour they'll be stuffed...

Just don't let Mrs Ferrino know if you do!