Hi all, thought I'd throw this open to the crowd....
If I was to remove the 'Busa motor from mine and go for a car engine, which should I go for?? Red top? Zetec? Pinto? Cosworth? Any others?
Not saying I'm going to but it's been a topic for discussion down my way and thought i'd like to get your opinions
Rich.
[Edited on 10/9/06 by richard thomas]
[Edited on 10/9/06 by richard thomas]
Money no object. A nice Duratec 
To get an equivalent power/weight ratio be prepared to spend possibly £5000 or more.
If I were to go for a car engine it'd probably be a Honda S2000 a la Chris Masons' old motor.
Steve
Not a case of money no object, it would have to cost no more than i could get from selling the motor and things around it like the loom, exhaust,
clocks etc.....
What are your reasons for wanting to change? That may pioint to the right choice of car engine for you.
for example are you after...
lazy torquey cruising - RV8
silly arse turbo power - cosworth
Not sure that I want to change, just wondering which other ways I could get the silly performance i've got with a CEC...not many things gonna
match the soundtrack of the 'busa, sounds like a BDA!!!
Rich.
This has to be the lamest troll I've ever seen.
Hayabusa / Pinto ?????
Aye - very good...
Or
Are you serious ??
No, well not the pinto bit anyway
Thought i'd give the CEC guys a chance to sell their case.......
Seriously though, although the BEC perfomance is blistering there must be a way of equalling it through bigger torque - I mean, any car that weighs
around half a ton is going to feel quick whatever is powering it surely?? Lets face it, it's the sequential box that gives the BEC a big edge
over a CEC, not the power?
Rich.
As Hellfire says, you're going to struggle to get equivalent performance for the same amount of outlay because IMHO you'd need 220bhp+ in
your average CEC to give you equivalent performance, which doesnt usually come that cheaply.
The cheapest to get that kind of power normally aspirated would probably be a Vx red top though Id think, unless you want to go turbo and slightly
away from the trodden path with something like a 200SX engine/box, which would give you 200bhp+ for not a lot of money.
[Edited on 10/9/06 by ChrisGamlin]
Thanks Chris,that's what I'm talking about - 200sx, a bit different...something to think about.
The only thing that irritates me at the moment is the fact that the performance drops when carrying a passenger- which happens quite a lot in this
thing, everyone wants a go. Whilst it frightens the smoke out of them - without fail - , I feel myself geeing it on a bit 'cos i know it goes
quicker than that....which is why i'm thinking how to get the same performance whoever's in it. Which a CEC ought to do due to torque?
Yes, I know - i could stop taking passengers....before it's suggested!!
Rich.
Im afraid its not as simple as that, engine torque is irrelevent its torque at the wheels thats important and a bike engine'd car has similar
levels of wheel torque as a car engine of similar power.
Having said that you would probably lose slightly less performance with a passenger in a higher powered CEC simply because that person is a lesser
percentage of the total car weight, ie 80kgs extra in a 600kg car has less noticable effect than 80kgs in a 450kg car. Either way though it will
always be noticably slower with a passenger.
I'd have thought that you can't really get much better than the Busa anyway.
It's got to be the closest to having the best of both worlds - Bike power/weight/gearbox and comparative torque to most normal car engines
An engine with lots of torque is what you need.
Therefore large, with many cylinders (and possibly or blower or two - to make up for the increase in weight you understand
)
ATB
Simon
Aye, suppose I'll just have to live with it....Ho Hum
Chris, you at Llandow this month with Baz? I'll pop down for the day if it's a good one...
Rich.
there is no alternative to more power. You pick a car engine, and lose some of your nimbleness.
If you just want to scare people, pick a high power car engine, ie big turbos etc. Id rather ditch the passangers and stay bec!
Alternatively, a large audi v8 turbo in a 3 seater similar to the macca f1.
Richard, yep Ill be at Llandow on the 30th, hopefully see you there
Aye, Looking forward to a big crowd of BEC's.
Any places left?
Rich.
Not sure to be honest, I booked on Thursday I think and there was ~10 spaces left, but I know of at least 3-4 more that have booked since then, maybe more.
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Originally posted by ChrisGamlin
The cheapest to get that kind of power normally aspirated would probably be a Vx red top though Id think, unless you want to go turbo and slightly away from the trodden path with something like a 200SX engine/box, which would give you 200bhp+ for not a lot of money.
Easy choice
Rich
How's about a R1 motor? Makes loads of sense to me.. Hey, I tell you what you can have mine - straight swap if you like!
Wow... how generous am I?
TC 
Was thinking of giving it to Fesycresy to alleviate his clutch issues....
Did consider Cossie power when I started building....I believe cooling is an issue though?
Anyone used the vauxhall turbo motor?
Rich.
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Originally posted by richard thomas
Anyone used the vauxhall turbo motor?
quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
Did consider Cossie power when I started building....I believe cooling is an issue though?
Rich.
quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
Was thinking of giving it to Fesycresy to alleviate his clutch issues....
Did consider Cossie power when I started building....I believe cooling is an issue though?
Anyone used the vauxhall turbo motor?
Rich.
Have you considered the increased capacity route for you Busa.
I'm no expert on the Busa but the two most common configurations seem to be either 1400cc or 1500cc. The 1500cc is mostly a new engine and costs
£5K+ from what I've seen. The Radical I help to maintain will be upgraded to 1400cc at the end of the season. I believe that involves rods and
pistons and costs around £1K. The head will also be flowed by Roger at Sabre Heads in Wisbech, Cambridgeshire. Power is quoted in the region of 200BHP
and 120 lbs ft of torque which would be good for a BEC.
[Edited on 13/9/06 by bimbleuk]
turbocharge it
...
or for torque ... supercharge it!
Skint, i'm afraid....
Rich.
Just to clarify the 1400cc upgrade, it uses different pistons and an over-bore to achieve the 1400cc.
Richard
I've given this some thought - I think I'd investigate a Supercharged Toyota 16/20V. Raw or Fensport would be the people to talk to.
Hopefully catch up with you at Donny.
Cheers
TC
Yeah, it's nice but unfortunately well out of budget!!!!
Anyway.....after a look at the track cars at Donnington this weekend I have decided to stick as is and stay well away from car engines! BEC's
seemed to be well out in front in terms of performance and handling - even that red/black westfield with the turbo ford engine and supposedly daft BHP
that was featured in PPC recently didn't appear to be any quicker than any BEC, even on the straights!!
BEC's rule - yeah.
Rich.
get your car rolling roaded to check its kicking out what it shoud be first then go from there