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I have a tiger cat with a knackered Zetec in. When it was SVA'd it weighed in at 650Kgs with a full tank of fuel.
I'm replacing the engine as it's poo, and was planning on spending 3k at raceline for a brand new zetec with fuel injection bits and bobs
until the thought hit me....wonder if a bike engine would fit.
Any have any thoughts/suggestions?
The bits that scare me are:
Sub-frame, can't weld, got no facilities so where could i get one
Reliability, as it may be heavy will the thing break every 10 seconds
Cost, The engine may be cheap but all my fitments are for a zetec e.g. gearbox, propshaft, cooling, exhaust
You should be able to do a BEC conversion for less than £3K
There are several people on here who have done it - they'll be along to give an idea of cost.
You'll end up with a faster car - whether that's better or not is a matter for debate but it will be faster than a zetec.
Cheers
Mark
my 893 blade engined BEC is still fast even with a passenger.
You do notice the weight as it takes the edge off.
Regards Mark
That is a lot of money to spend on a Zetec. What sort of spec does that give you?
For £3k you should be able to do a ZX12 conversion. If you were looking at a less powerful/cheaper engine then I would think even if you bought it all
from suppliers you should be looking at £1500-£2000 all in. Factor in another £600 if you want a reverse box. Either way, it will be a different
kettle of fish to a knackered Zetec.
For £3k you could even get a Duratec setup. Yuo can pick up the engine for around £750, add to that an exhaust, bell housing plus all the conversion
bits and you should be well under £3k.
Robin Hood have a supply of brand new 2.0L blacktops for £750. Seems like a good starting point.
Get the Zetec, with that kind of money spent it will eat becs for breakfast and still be nicer to drive.
Get the duratec for the same reason above (will also blow zetecs away)
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Originally posted by andyharding
Get the Zetec, with that kind of money spent it will eat becs for breakfast and still be nicer to drive.
Hi have i ever mentioned 90 bhp locosts. NO im'e not going there. But when is the next mass LB trackday.
cheers matt
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Originally posted by procomp
Hi have i ever mentioned 90 bhp locosts.
cheers matt
Hi jon . Would not dare sugest you rip the bike engine out. Crossflows are rare enough as they are without you bec guys trying to source them aswell
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Jesting by the way.
cheers matt
I know there a bit rare but I wish you would compare like with like that all........
You know the lap times well enough, a locost race car and a RGB (locost) race car class C with a bog standard 919 blade engine.
Don't compare a Locost race car lap time with a garage built nothing set up BEC that spends 99% of its time on the road and is also a bit on the
lardy side.
For those that CBA to look here is the lap records for Donington club circuit, both set this year...........
Locost.................1.28.07........ 80.01mph.
RGB class A.........1.14.09...... 94.08mph.
Hi Dear oh dear you have Gone all serious jon.
If you want to get serious. An rgb class c is on a par with a std 2.o zetec. And a 250 bhp cec is on a par with a hyabusa Ect.
I think the fact is that if the car is that weight by the time you have put a driver in it also. It would be better suited to a cec that a bec.
Cheers matt
Get a decent Pinto like this one.... 
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=66377
BHP sells engines, Torque wins races.
I love the sound of the BEC's but i also love the feel of big torque available low down in any gear.
sometimes you don't have the chance to drop a couple of cogs, thats when a light car with good torque does it better.
3k will get me a brand new zetec, jenvey thottle boddies, omex ecu, raceline sump, fuel pump, swirl pot etc...
Will be a great baseline to work one, if i could add some cams i'd be pushing 200bhp, and not rev my ears to bits to pull away from the
copuntless number of traffic lights here in cheltenham.
More i think about it, the more i may stay with the zetec idea, sorry BEC guys, i guess i will stay a CEC.
Maybe a nice indy or avon in the future though for track use.
650kg is quite heavy for a zetec locost...
My Fury with windscreen, full weather gear and carpets only came in about 630kg on the local weighbridge...
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Originally posted by the dave
3k will get me a brand new zetec, jenvey thottle boddies, omex ecu, raceline sump, fuel pump, swirl pot etc...
Will be a great baseline to work one, if i could add some cams i'd be pushing 200bhp, and not rev my ears to bits to pull away from the copuntless number of traffic lights here in cheltenham.
More i think about it, the more i may stay with the zetec idea, sorry BEC guys, i guess i will stay a CEC.
Maybe a nice indy or avon in the future though for track use.
The Cat uses the full rear Sierra sub frame so it's screwed with weight from the start.
Pat...
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Originally posted by stevebubs
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Originally posted by the dave
3k will get me a brand new zetec, jenvey thottle boddies, omex ecu, raceline sump, fuel pump, swirl pot etc...
Will be a great baseline to work one, if i could add some cams i'd be pushing 200bhp, and not rev my ears to bits to pull away from the copuntless number of traffic lights here in cheltenham.
More i think about it, the more i may stay with the zetec idea, sorry BEC guys, i guess i will stay a CEC.
Maybe a nice indy or avon in the future though for track use.
3k will see you into Duratec territory where 200bhp is far easier to achieve...
Wouldn't you get an s2000 honda lump in for £3k? £1500-2000 for donor engine with ecu and keys etc then the rest for exhaust and fitting?
Dave, where in Cheltenham are you (just out of curiousity)_ and what colour is your car?
How about a Vauxhall XE? Exhaust on the passenger side, cheap to buy, make very good power... And for throttle bodies, why not go down the bike T/B
route - that should save you a fair bit of wonga.
I just kind help thinking £3k is a lot for a Zetec engine that wont even make 200bhp!
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Originally posted by snapper
BHP sells engines, Torque wins races.
Hi if using the VX lump it would also mean that an ecu was not required as a dizzy can be retained. It also comes with quite a bit of torque as well.
Would be the easiest way to a 200 bhp setup.
Wheres NSDEV he will give you the low down on the VX as he has a fondness for them.
cheers matt
I would have suggested an XE aswell but finding a good donor example is getting rarer, start stripping them down and it can get expensive. I'd
also rather have a newer ally block engine as although the xe makes good power it isn't the lightest around (but about comparable to a zetec I
suppose)
yes I have an xe myself but from what I've learnt I'd do things differently if doing it again. Actually quite like the little ally 1.6 zetec
se myself.
[Edited on 16/8/07 by ned]
Sorry ned. Forgot you also would know the low down on the vx's also.
Agree it's heavy but wouldnt be so bad in this situation as already quite a heavy car to start with.
cheers matt
a honda s2000 engine would interest me..but....
where do i get ancilleries e.g. exhaust, alternator, bell housing adaptor, engine mounts from, has anyone done this.
How big is it physically compared to a zetec, the zetec just fits in my cat with no room above. My worry is if i spent that much on an engine i'd
have to use the standard induction/ecu.
Does any work have to be done on the sump?
I guess this thread is now no longer a BEC thread, but i value your inputs all of you.
S2000 comes with a gearbox! And the sump is sorted already if you get an S2000 rather than a Civic lump. Do a search, someone (sorry i forget who) had one in an MK. I think it was rather rapid!
i spoke to the chap at clockwisemotion.co.uk, who is an s2000 guy and said i would be hard pushed to get an s2000 lump in my car for 3k. I guess he
would know.
Thing with the s2000 gearbox is the size, the type 9 just about fits in the tunnel of the cat.
Chris Mason put one in an MK Indy, but IIRC he said the all-out cost was significantly higher than £3k, doubling it and adding a bit more will get you closer to the actual figure I suspect.
i emailed chris mason before i went ahead with the bec, and it was more like 9k to do the conversion! you need a stand alone ecu foe a start, engines
are around the 3k price alone, and fitting it was a nightmare iirc, needed a dry sump too! Go busa!
I still don't think a Cat is suited to be a BEC due to it's overall weight and design - it's a heavy lump as standard.
I'd say go tuned Zetec or Duratec route.
Pat...
[Edited on 16/8/07 by Avoneer]