kb58
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 03:04 PM |
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Originally posted by JoelP
doesnt ox use a busa with no dry sump?
Well, you can also drive your car when not wearing pants, but it's not a good idea!
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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OX
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 06:50 PM |
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lol
i use a dry sump kit to be safe but now i hear that the oil pumps seize.oooo what to do 
my busa is an 03 and it only has one fuel line becouse the pump and regulator is in the tank.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 09:38 PM |
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What engine are we talking about? If it's the ZX12R, then no, the clutch isn't hydraulic and like OX says, if you can get the original
fuel pump from the bike, it will save running a return fuel line.
Phil
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 09:46 PM |
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I thought we were talking busa? 
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Hellfire
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 09:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by the moa 2
nearly bought a busa 2001 £2500 a minute ago!
Is it stupid to buy one should i really be looking into the ZX's ?
What are the pros and cons of busa vs ZX
I know it started off as a Busa but not sure where we are now......... 
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Winston Todge
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 12:42 AM |
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Hey bud,
Just curious as to why you ruled out an R1?
Originally you said it was because there was a lack of them about?
Or is it the power thing?
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Winston Todge
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 12:44 AM |
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Also, what car do you have now then?
It says R1 locost on your 'building' bit but you say you've driven it a couple of times? What motor's in it at the mo?
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the moa 2
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 10:10 AM |
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It original had a pinto which we got sva done with then a track day at bedford which subsequently nackered the engine and thats were the story ends i
have been in the middle of sorting the bike engine thing out for ages now .
I havent found a R1 5JJ for the right money, people asking to much cheapest i found was £1427.63 from Ken Urwins 01405 740248 .
The engine i looked at yesterday the Hayabusa was from M1 salvage easy to find on the net they advertised it as a 2001 at £2750 in the end i found out
it was a x model which is a 1999 year and they were prepared to go down to £2400 but i was put off by there lying !
Malcolm at yorkshire engines is a great chap to talk to and he said he had an engine but then i never heard from him , im not one to put someone down,
maybe his a bit busy at the mo i dont know.
Now i started looking into a busa ive got the buz to get one of the bigger engine kits now so we will see what unfolds today.
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Winston Todge
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 10:22 AM |
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Too bad about the Pinto giving up!
No matter what motor you go for, be it an R1, Busa or 12R, it'll be a mighty improvement on a Pinto.
I think at this point in time I personally couldn't justify spending an extra 1k to 3k on 20 to 40 bhp (depending on who you talk to...) for a
Busa or 12R.
Saying that I would love to follow in the footsteps of a friend who stuck a 120 shot of progressive NOS to a ZX12R! Imagine that in a BEC... 
Good luck with whichever way you go,
Chris.
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the moa 2
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 10:39 AM |
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cheers mate your r1 in yet ?
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GeorgeL
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 05:08 PM |
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Surely the extra torque of the Busa is critical with the weight of a car?
Phil I was watching your videos, but wasn't entirely sure as to the 1/4 mile time you achieved. I saw 13s and even 14s, but I expected the bike
powered cars to perform better than that. I also saw a white one which looked quick, was that running a tunned R1 engine?
Do the bike engines compare well to the VX/XE engines?
I am most likely to buy a complete car as I am a real novice at the mechanicing lark, and I don't want to wait. I also want to make sure I go
the right route. MK Indy looks a great bit of kit for the money too.
George
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tks
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 05:32 PM |
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the link
Hellfires site doesn“t show very well up over here sow this is the linky..
Link
regards,
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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cossey
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 05:57 PM |
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the newer litre bikes arent that far off the zx12r/busa torque wise if you factor in the revs/gearing. if the redline is 14k instead of 10k then if
you make the gearing so at redline they are at the same speed then the torque multipication of the transmission will be 1.4 so the overall torque will
be at the equivalent to the 150NM/110lbft level of the busa/12r. will a bit more frantic though.
you also get a usefull 20kg weight saving. (my 06 r1 is under 60kg) just make sure you get a decent exhaust for the new r1 and you should lose the
huge 7k rpm torque dip (its caused by the exup) and have a flat torque curve from 5.5k-13.5k (only 5lbft difference across the whole range).
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tks
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 06:46 PM |
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here we go again...
Every thing will depend on what is what you want...
i'm sure a viento with a audi v8 or beamer straight 6 block will beat everything!!
or just a m3 engine in it..
Its just about tax,import tax,handling,fuel consumption..
in the end the horses will always win!
wy?? because +30Bhp will make allot of difference even when only 30kgs are added...
i take for the dry weight of the R1 500Kgs?
Will make it 300Bhp/ton..
the busa will have got 180Bhp and weight 530Kgs ==> 339,6Bhp/ton
If a cosworth will develop with his turbo 240Horses but everything on it will weith 90kilo's havier..(sow engine and gearbox weight in at
180kgs..)
You will get 620Kgs and 240 horses will result in a 387bhp/ton
The only thing what will always win is a the best of both world..and thats a turbo ed bike engine!!
it wont have the weight panelty (in every aspect) and will develop 230Bhp?? sow it will leave the the cossie a fat monster..
In a normal non turbo Seven you will need the CEC 30/50Bhp more BHP to beat the BEC depending on the weight of the CEC engine (alu or alla pinto
etc..)
Conclusion: are you a normal guy but you want a good performing Seven ==> R1
If you have less money to spent ==> pinto way..
If you want hill climb/ low 1/4 mile time go CEC but with BIG Horses 240+ or go Turbo Busa!
offcourse taking into account that you don't have any preference...
Regards,
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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GeorgeL
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 07:00 PM |
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Thanks chaps some great replies. Ideally I would want something nice and light as handling is a priority. I do want the car to be fast though and to
be honest if its not capable of dipping below 13s in a 1/4 mile dash then its not the setup for me.
I won't be building the car myself so I am just weighing up which is the best option to buy ready built.
I originally wanted a busa engined car after seeing a review of the megabusa on its release. However if Indy with a Redtop engine can be bought for
similar money and will out perform BEC then that would definatley something I would look at.
At the end of the day if I can pick up a busa car for good money I could look into s/c or turbo charging about it. The only thing that puts me off a
turbo is the way it alters the power delivery.
So whats in that white one then? I remeber seeing a silver one running 10s and 11s at pod a couple of years back.
Cheers
George
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GeorgeL
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 07:03 PM |
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quote:
here we go again...
Btw sorry I am completely new to kitcars, but the seem a great way of getting cheap supercar performance. I do know onething, I don't want a
pinto!
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cossey
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 07:13 PM |
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new r1 175bhp 60kg
busa 180bhp 80kg
a r1 locost should be around 430kg so 406bhp/tonne
busa locost 450kg so 400bhp/tonne
both will easily out corner the cossie motor due to less weight
an earlier r1 can be had for less than £1000 an 250bhp is possible reliably with a turbo and a turbo can be done properly for £1000-1500 so
575bhp/tonne.
a straight 6 or v8 locost will be very heavy with the increased engine/gearbox/diff weight and the extra chassis bracing needed. so over 300bhp but
atleast 650kg so good in a straight line (traction limited maybe) but a lightweight cec or bec will run rings round it on a track.
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tks
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 07:15 PM |
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well
if i was you i would buy a busa...
incl. the turbo kit, but mount it after one year or sow because it will be another investment..
When you turbo the busa to lets say 220/260Bhp..you will be almost outperforming everything..because of your lower weight and heigh bhp figures
put to that that their are turbo busa's
with 300bhp out there.. and you will be almost 100kgs lighter...
the trick is the lower your weight, the more you can multiply your BHP with to reach the per ton figure..
if the turbo caracteristics don't like you, just try to search for a compressor idea!
anyway it will always depend on settings and config and take in mind that with the bec the turbo is always well on speed because of the nature of
driveing at higher rpm....(sow its less sensitive to the abuse reaction of the turbo comeing in..)
Tks
p.s. the CEC have because of their higher cubes...more potential... but are made for 300.000kms the engines..
on the other side the BEC use their potential.. more and are made for 100.000kms??
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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GeorgeL
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 08:03 PM |
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TKS great ideas there mate, and stuff I had thought about. Its nice to know I am thinking along the right lines though! Cheers
Chris I didn't really think about a vtec as I thought they would cost a fortune. I don't really have a buget as such I'm just
looking whats avaliable and what you can get for your money.
I take it this ones got a ctr lump in it mate? What sort of money are you talking?
G
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GeorgeL
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 08:20 PM |
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Just checked your site and seen its an S2000, very very nice mate. That must be about the ultimate in terms of N/A performance mate.
7k I take it thats the engine and running gear with kit and build time on top?
u2u = ???
What sort of power does this run, anything over the standard 240?
G
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GeorgeL
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| posted on 19/4/06 at 08:29 PM |
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Great stuff Chris I have just sussed it. I am going out now but I will reply either later or tomorrow.
I love this forum, so much help its great.
George
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