kev R1
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 09:54 PM |
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bec vs bike
just wondering if anyone's got any sort of lap times for a bec against an r1 or blade obviously the bike'll shoot pat on the straights but
bec will catch up in the corners, just be interesting to see the difference, cheers,kev
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nitram38
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 10:03 PM |
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On a short circuit, the car should beat the bike as it goes through corners alot quicker and therefore exits faster.
The faster you exit a corner, the quicker you are back on the straights.
Corners account for 20-30% of a circuit, but are cruicial in getting lower lap times.
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kev R1
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 10:05 PM |
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yeah, understand it in principal just wondered if anyone had any actual times from say a good-average rider to a good-average driver?
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 10:17 PM |
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not checked lap times but a blade engined locost can do the cat-n-fiddle quicker than a blade.......
very tight n twisty though, loads of hairpins with little or no straight bits.
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Gav
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 10:18 PM |
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IIRC 5thGear did a test with a superbike(gsxr?) against the full bodied westfied TR something?
that had a tuned 225bhp 1.8T VAG engine in it and i think the bike was about a second slower than the car.
might be wrong though.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 10:23 PM |
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Can we check the 5th gear times for the bike around anglesey if its online anywhere? For comparison I've managed a 49.8s lap (timed by proper
lap timing beacon etc) a year or two ago when we were there on a private track day when I had the blade engine installed
[Edited on 15/3/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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adampage
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from Five's website
Westfield XTR4 - 48.00
Mosler MT900S - 48.82
GSXR 1000 - 49.10
Ducati 999 - 49.25
Noble M400 - 49.54
Gallardo - 49.69
M3 CSL - 50.08
911 Carrera S (997) - 51.05
Elise 111R - 51.89
and it goes on, but i'm bored of typing!
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 16/3/06 at 01:20 AM |
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Cool, I'll make the excuses about worn tyres etc now too
It will all depend on the circuit though (as well as the driver, Im sure Tiff could get my car round quicker than I can!), somewhere like Thruxton
where its wide open the bike would slaughter the BEC, yet on tight twisty circuits its probably the other way around
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Phil.J
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| posted on 16/3/06 at 09:59 AM |
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BEC vs Car
I'd ignore anything that you see on Top Gear regarding performance, they just alter the facts to suit their pre-arranged scripts.
A friend of a friend is a helicopter pilot, and Top Gear arranged for him to 'Race' a Porsche around a race track. He was way in front,
and the producer asked him to fly slower and slower until the Porsche just 'beat' him!
Phil
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/3/06 at 10:04 AM |
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One of those TV progs did a race between a F1 car, a race bike and a speedboat, down in London Docklands.
trouble is, they used a V-hull sea-going racer, not a F1 speedboat - would have been more of a contest then... 0 - 60 in about 2 seconds!
David
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Coose
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| posted on 16/3/06 at 11:58 AM |
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Any idea what the bike was? I bet it wasn't a MotoGP bike, which is the only fair way of pitching them.....
Spin 'er off Well...
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 16/3/06 at 12:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Phil.J
I'd ignore anything that you see on Top Gear regarding performance, they just alter the facts to suit their pre-arranged scripts.
Its 5th Gear thats been quoted though, not Top Gear. 5th Gear use Anglesey to track test all their cars and they always do a timed flying lap. Im not
saying its 100% representative as you don't know conditions / how many practice laps etc, but I think they are less inclined to fiddle the
results seeing as they use it as a benchmark for all the cars tested, whereas the Top Gear features like you mention above are purely for
entertainment and have no actual purpose to compare or assess the car's actual performance.
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kev R1
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| posted on 16/3/06 at 09:31 PM |
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thanks for the comments guys anyone got any times for donnington?
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 16/3/06 at 11:58 PM |
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1.18 road legal tyres, short circuit is the RGB laprecord, my best is low 21's.
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