richard thomas
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:09 PM |
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Which engine to replace Hayabusa???
Hi all, thought I'd throw this open to the crowd....
If I was to remove the 'Busa motor from mine and go for a car engine, which should I go for?? Red top? Zetec? Pinto? Cosworth? Any others?
Not saying I'm going to but it's been a topic for discussion down my way and thought i'd like to get your opinions
Rich.
[Edited on 10/9/06 by richard thomas]
[Edited on 10/9/06 by richard thomas]
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big_wasa
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:16 PM |
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Money no object. A nice Duratec 
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Hellfire
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:16 PM |
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To get an equivalent power/weight ratio be prepared to spend possibly £5000 or more.
If I were to go for a car engine it'd probably be a Honda S2000 a la Chris Masons' old motor.
Steve
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richard thomas
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:19 PM |
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Not a case of money no object, it would have to cost no more than i could get from selling the motor and things around it like the loom, exhaust,
clocks etc.....
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nick205
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:21 PM |
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What are your reasons for wanting to change? That may pioint to the right choice of car engine for you.
for example are you after...
lazy torquey cruising - RV8
silly arse turbo power - cosworth
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richard thomas
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:26 PM |
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Not sure that I want to change, just wondering which other ways I could get the silly performance i've got with a CEC...not many things gonna
match the soundtrack of the 'busa, sounds like a BDA!!!
Rich.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:31 PM |
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This has to be the lamest troll I've ever seen.
Hayabusa / Pinto ?????
Aye - very good...
Or
Are you serious ??
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richard thomas
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:37 PM |
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No, well not the pinto bit anyway
Thought i'd give the CEC guys a chance to sell their case.......
Seriously though, although the BEC perfomance is blistering there must be a way of equalling it through bigger torque - I mean, any car that weighs
around half a ton is going to feel quick whatever is powering it surely?? Lets face it, it's the sequential box that gives the BEC a big edge
over a CEC, not the power?
Rich.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:38 PM |
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As Hellfire says, you're going to struggle to get equivalent performance for the same amount of outlay because IMHO you'd need 220bhp+ in
your average CEC to give you equivalent performance, which doesnt usually come that cheaply.
The cheapest to get that kind of power normally aspirated would probably be a Vx red top though Id think, unless you want to go turbo and slightly
away from the trodden path with something like a 200SX engine/box, which would give you 200bhp+ for not a lot of money.
[Edited on 10/9/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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richard thomas
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 08:47 PM |
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Thanks Chris,that's what I'm talking about - 200sx, a bit different...something to think about.
The only thing that irritates me at the moment is the fact that the performance drops when carrying a passenger- which happens quite a lot in this
thing, everyone wants a go. Whilst it frightens the smoke out of them - without fail - , I feel myself geeing it on a bit 'cos i know it goes
quicker than that....which is why i'm thinking how to get the same performance whoever's in it. Which a CEC ought to do due to torque?
Yes, I know - i could stop taking passengers....before it's suggested!!
Rich.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 09:04 PM |
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Im afraid its not as simple as that, engine torque is irrelevent its torque at the wheels thats important and a bike engine'd car has similar
levels of wheel torque as a car engine of similar power.
Having said that you would probably lose slightly less performance with a passenger in a higher powered CEC simply because that person is a lesser
percentage of the total car weight, ie 80kgs extra in a 600kg car has less noticable effect than 80kgs in a 450kg car. Either way though it will
always be noticably slower with a passenger.
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StevieB
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 09:12 PM |
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I'd have thought that you can't really get much better than the Busa anyway.
It's got to be the closest to having the best of both worlds - Bike power/weight/gearbox and comparative torque to most normal car engines
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Simon
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 09:14 PM |
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An engine with lots of torque is what you need.
Therefore large, with many cylinders (and possibly or blower or two - to make up for the increase in weight you understand )
ATB
Simon
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richard thomas
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 09:16 PM |
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Aye, suppose I'll just have to live with it....Ho Hum
Chris, you at Llandow this month with Baz? I'll pop down for the day if it's a good one...
Rich.
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JoelP
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 09:20 PM |
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there is no alternative to more power. You pick a car engine, and lose some of your nimbleness.
If you just want to scare people, pick a high power car engine, ie big turbos etc. Id rather ditch the passangers and stay bec!
Alternatively, a large audi v8 turbo in a 3 seater similar to the macca f1.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 09:22 PM |
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Richard, yep Ill be at Llandow on the 30th, hopefully see you there
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richard thomas
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 09:25 PM |
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Aye, Looking forward to a big crowd of BEC's.
Any places left?
Rich.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 09:30 PM |
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Not sure to be honest, I booked on Thursday I think and there was ~10 spaces left, but I know of at least 3-4 more that have booked since then, maybe
more.
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the_fbi
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| posted on 10/9/06 at 10:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisGamlin
The cheapest to get that kind of power normally aspirated would probably be a Vx red top though Id think, unless you want to go turbo and slightly
away from the trodden path with something like a 200SX engine/box, which would give you 200bhp+ for not a lot of money.
How about a redtop with a Turbo, otherwise called a C20LET.
As found in Cav and Calibra Turbo's.
Great engine, stock KKK can do you 280bhp with a decent FMIC or just use the standard 204bhp and have a bulletproof engine.
Cost about £1200 for a known good engine, ecu, loom etc.
Add another £100 for a FMIC.
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G.Man
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| posted on 11/9/06 at 03:57 AM |
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Easy choice
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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TimC
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| posted on 11/9/06 at 04:55 AM |
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Rich
How's about a R1 motor? Makes loads of sense to me.. Hey, I tell you what you can have mine - straight swap if you like!
Wow... how generous am I?
TC 
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richard thomas
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| posted on 11/9/06 at 06:21 AM |
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Was thinking of giving it to Fesycresy to alleviate his clutch issues....
Did consider Cossie power when I started building....I believe cooling is an issue though?
Anyone used the vauxhall turbo motor?
Rich.
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the_fbi
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| posted on 11/9/06 at 07:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
Anyone used the vauxhall turbo motor?
Not in a locost, but I've had one for 8 years in my Calibra. No issues.
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James
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| posted on 11/9/06 at 07:56 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
Did consider Cossie power when I started building....I believe cooling is an issue though?
Rich.
well Hicost has done about 50,000 miles with his 430BHP (now 450 IIRC) Cossie. It hasn't gone up in flames yet!
Cheers,
James
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G.Man
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| posted on 11/9/06 at 08:12 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
Was thinking of giving it to Fesycresy to alleviate his clutch issues....
Did consider Cossie power when I started building....I believe cooling is an issue though?
Anyone used the vauxhall turbo motor?
Rich.
Plenty of cossie powered 7's about, definitely worth investigating...
POWAH!!!
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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