thegasmen
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| posted on 31/12/06 at 12:19 PM |
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blackbird bike engine
Hi blackbird bike engined car users
I have heard a lot of bad vibes about the honda blackbird engine fitted into a car I am currently going to install my engine in my dax and was
wondering what have you done to the engine to adapat the installation and have you any bad experiances.
regards Mick
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Wadders
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| posted on 31/12/06 at 12:45 PM |
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No direct experience of the b/bird but I think its safer to dry sump them, if used in a north/south configuration, seem to fair ok in middies where
oil surge is less of a problem.
Originally posted by thegasmen
Hi blackbird bike engined car users
I have heard a lot of bad vibes about the honda blackbird engine fitted into a car I am currently going to install my engine in my dax and was
wondering what have you done to the engine to adapat the installation and have you any bad experiances.
regards Mick
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BenB
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| posted on 31/12/06 at 01:25 PM |
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My bro has put a couple of blackbird engines in his Fury. Apparently the oil feed to one of the bearings is a bit marginal so if put north / south and
taken on a track day it all tends to go booooomb.
He ended up doing a DIY dry sump on it.
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thegasmen
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| posted on 31/12/06 at 01:30 PM |
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blackbird engine
is everone dry sumping there blackbird motors if so how much are we talking or can this be done diy style eg; on the cheap
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 31/12/06 at 03:40 PM |
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Dry sumping you're realistically looking at about a grand which unfortunately puts the 'bird into the "not really worth the
money" category IMHO, when compared to say a £1k R1 which puts out similar power, doesnt need dry sumping, is lighter and is well proven in
BECs.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 31/12/06 at 03:51 PM |
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The main fault is the 3rd main bearing, which I believe shares an oil feed with one of the counter balance shafts. This is the one that picks up. For
track use, some use nothing and are fine, yet others dry sump theirs. IMHO I'd look at accusumping it as the dry sump gear does make it a bit
expensive, although if you plan on tuning it, then it's a different thing, as they can be very strong engines. One person is running a 75 bhp
nos kit through a standard engine with no bother. As an engine, the power isn't anything special any more, but is still quite respectable, due
to the higher torque than the little(r) engines.
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TimC
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| posted on 1/1/07 at 11:30 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisGamlin
Dry sumping you're realistically looking at about a grand which unfortunately puts the 'bird into the "not really worth the
money" category IMHO, when compared to say a £1k R1 which puts out similar power, doesnt need dry sumping, is lighter and is well proven in
BECs.
Aye - def' know where you're coming from. However, since you already have the kit and motor, don't be too disheartened - I've
done some trackdays with 'Bird engined cars and they've always been bloody quick.
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dilley
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| posted on 1/1/07 at 01:02 PM |
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They are a cracking engine, I ran mine with a shortened baffled sump with no trouble, I didn't do any trackdays but it was thourouly tested on
the road, I could get the oil pressure to drop a tad but nothing to worry about, indybird on this site has 1 fitted with an accusump, I've been
passenger with him at snetterton, he ran the car at 2(?)shows as a demo car for MK the car was used all day and he's never had a problem, I thin
that people only started slating the bird lump because of the surge problems, take that out of the equasion and its as good as anything else.
If you remove the balance idler gears it will increase oil pressure and let the engine rev more freely.
Andrew.
[Edited on 1/1/07 by dilley]
[Edited on 1/1/07 by dilley]
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thegasmen
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| posted on 1/1/07 at 01:57 PM |
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blackbird info
Cheers guys for the input
well its a bit of a mixed bag i think i will baffle and look into fitting a acusump where can you get these from.
regards mick
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iiyama
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| posted on 1/1/07 at 02:07 PM |
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