westindy
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| posted on 16/2/05 at 01:31 PM |
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Indy spring ratings?
What spring ratings should I use with a zx9r BEC indy. I have 300 front and 150 rear currently?
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 16/2/05 at 02:56 PM |
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SPRING RATES INDY BEC
I originally had 350 on the fronts and 275 on the rears as supplied with the mk kit at the time.I found the fronts very hard, so I changed them to
175,I find them a lot better on road or track.it is still very firm and I don't get a lot of body roll,and I don't have a anti-roll bar
fitted.
cheers: Paul
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zetec
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| posted on 16/2/05 at 05:20 PM |
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That's a big change. I've got 325 which I thought a bit heavy going. Are you saying you went from 350 to 175 on the front?
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 16/2/05 at 05:55 PM |
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yes sounds a bit extreme  I now but its work for me,I had them fitted in this picture ,little body roll,I was getting a lot of understeer with the
350 springs on,and it felt a bit skittish on uneven roads,it is now a lot betterImage deleted by owner
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carnut
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| posted on 16/2/05 at 10:05 PM |
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Im running 350 front and 175 rear but it still rolls like hell. Maybe a geometry change is needed.
 
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zetec
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| posted on 16/2/05 at 10:10 PM |
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Would be interesting to hear how MK find cars fitted with different springs and with/without antiroll bars. Anyone else have experience?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 18/2/05 at 05:13 PM |
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The difference AFAIK is apparent by carnuts being two up... does seem to roll a lot though.
Paul is 4ft tall, 7st wet through and despite it's appearence the car is going in a straight line, not around a corner as it seems 
Well.... maybe not! 
[Edited on 18-2-05 by Hellfire]
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westindy
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| posted on 18/2/05 at 05:51 PM |
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Well whats the verdict???
A lot af chat about ratings - whats the conclusion/action I should take?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 21/2/05 at 12:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by westindy
A lot af chat about ratings - whats the conclusion/action I should take?
Depends; as always; on what you want...
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carnut
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 11:06 AM |
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Any idea how I could reduce the roll?
How about if I screw down the shock so the rear sits a bit higher, thus increasing the height of the roll centre. Yes I know the CofG will also rise
but not as much as the roll centre so there should be less roll.
Im going to try this the next time I get chance.
Carnut
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Hellfire
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 12:22 PM |
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I would try using some heavier springs on the rear as a cheapish starting point....
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carnut
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 01:09 PM |
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When ive got the time im going to model the whole car and analyise it in Adams. Its a big job though cos ive to measure and model all the suspension
accurately.
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alister667
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 01:13 PM |
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I've used the standard springs supplied by MK. I *think* they're 350 (front) and 275 (rear).
Seems OK, perhaps a little on the soft side, but since the roads in NI are very poor I'll stick with it. I'm also running very high
profile tyres and they must be helping the shocks a bit.
On the track it seems OK, the nose dives quite a bit on braking but that helps the turn in, and on steady acceleration she'll tend towards 4
wheel drift or oversteer, suggesting to me she's fairly well balanced.
Also I'm pretty 'chunky' *ahem* at around 17 stone if that makes a difference.
I might think of getting an anti-roll bar fitted to the front, as it seems a fairly straightforward mod and can be easily disconnected for road use,
then screwed on for the track.
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alister667
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 01:16 PM |
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BTW I think Hellfire's right - it looks like your back springs are too soft from the picture.
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alister667
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 07:12 PM |
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Actually it just dawned on me, you could try swapping the front and back springs. That should give you a setup similar to Paul's.
And best of all it will cost you nothing!
All the best
Ali
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carnut
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 07:23 PM |
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I might give it a try.
Come to the rear being soft, I get loads of traction and once rolling in the dry I cant spinthe rear wheels. I also have an open diff. I wonder if
its the softness thats giving me all that traction.
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alister667
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 07:24 PM |
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Might well be. I have an open diff and I can light her up easy enough.
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carnut
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| posted on 23/2/05 at 07:41 PM |
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I think ill try some stiffer springs and keep the soft ones for drag racing
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carnut
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| posted on 24/2/05 at 08:59 AM |
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Im using the protec ali dampers with springs as supplied by MK. Does anyone know what the rates of these springs actually are? Is there some
indication on the springs themselves or will I have to invent some crude way of finding it out?
Carnut
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Hellfire
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| posted on 24/2/05 at 12:39 PM |
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If you take the coils off the dampers, the spring rating will be marked on top along with the length.
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carnut
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| posted on 24/2/05 at 12:46 PM |
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thanks, I'll do that when I get chance.
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bikkel
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| posted on 24/2/05 at 07:25 PM |
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are the protech dampers supposed to be same front and rear?
(dampers not springs)
koen
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alister667
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| posted on 25/2/05 at 11:08 PM |
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I believe they are the same.
Mine weren't marked and didn't 'feel' any different, so I wasn't worried about putting them on in a particular
position.
Of course as always I am open to correction
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