JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 08:26 AM |
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2003 R1: Why does it starts?
Hi all.
As previously said, as soon as I connect the Main switch and kill switch the starter starts, even without grounding the Start
Switch.
What I've done:
1. cut the red/blue cable that goes from the fuse box to the backup circuit (the fuse blown as soon as I connected the loom to the battery, as it was
connected to a black (ground) one!!! factory mistake?!?!)
2. I connected the bike loom to the battery
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3. I connect the main switch (red/brown)
4. Connected the Black to Blue/Yellow (Cluth to CDI)
5. Connected the Red / Black to Red / White (Kill Switch
As soon as I do this the started goes off! And I didn't even connected the Start Switch (Blues / White)
I checked that the blue / white is not connected to ground due to a short somewhere.
HELP!!!!
Joao
[Edited on 06/5/11 by JoaoCaldeira]
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progers
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 09:34 AM |
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Hi Joao,
It sounds like you have activated the starter relay by some means. Earth to the starter relay is supplied via the relay assembly - start checking
around here to see why you have a permenant earth on the blue/white wire to the starter relay.
The engine won't start as the ECU does not see the earth from the start switch - hence won't fuel the car.
Hope that helps
Paul
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 09:58 AM |
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Hi Paul.
It seems that it's what I got to trace down... forgot to say, though, that I don't have a fuel pump attached, but the connector gets
powered!
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jimgiblett
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 01:03 PM |
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As Paul says the starter relay gives an earth to the motor so I would suggest to get a multimeter and check for continuity back from the starter
motor.
ie
Disonnect the battery
Disconnect the starter earth.
Earth one wire on the mutimeter (eg to the battery earth lead) then check continuity starting at the starter earth then follow back to the relay then
to the starter switch.
At some point you should find that the relay is being earthed. This should only be via the start button.
The link below shows a simple wiring diagram which you may find helpful.
http://members.cox.net/roach66/2003_R1_wiring.pdf
Alternatively fly me over give me lots of food and beer and I'll wire it up for you
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tks
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 02:10 PM |
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jejejeje
then would i bee the cheaper choice...
only problem thon´t have the luego ready yet
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 14/5/06 at 07:54 AM |
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Thanks for your thoughts.
The first thing is that I was using the wrong wire as starter (never mind... not even related to the problem...)
I've been checking the loom and someone had been tempering it for sure!!!
vetween the ECU and Starter Cut Off relay Relay there was a few (6 - 8?) black wires joined together with some solder on it.
Guess what? the ECU to Relay was connected there too, making permanent the grounding of the starter.
Isn't this the place where the Cycle Lock usually is? I wonder what else is not connected properly... 
And worse... What damage has been done to the starter?!
Joao
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tks
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| posted on 14/5/06 at 03:23 PM |
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mhh
Think you just need to find your scheme for the wireing loom, with that you can easyly check if yours is the same for the rest of it.
as long as de starter disengages when the engine is running their cant be much damage..
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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G.Man
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| posted on 14/5/06 at 08:07 PM |
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Sounds like someone cut an alarm/cyclelok out of the loom, and someone else thought they were all earths...
you are gonna need to back trace the wires and see where they all go...
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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RichieC
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 06:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoaoCaldeira
Isn't this the place where the Cycle Lock usually is? I wonder what else is not connected properly...
And worse... What damage has been done to the starter?!
Joao
Yeh that does sound like cyclelok to me. It was suggested by Colin I think (Smart51) to compare the US with EUR wiring diagrams to confirm which of
the wires go where with respect to the ECU etc. Theyre just shown on the EUR diagram as 9 black wires so not much help.
If you continuity check them back through the loom, it should become obvious which is which. This is what I was going to do but then I realised I
didnt in fact have cyclelok  .
As for dsamaging the starter, modern startersare pretty resilient. Unless its been run for a good while, it will be fine.
Hope you get it sorted
Kind Rgds
Richie
[Edited on 15/5/06 by RichieC]
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