Toady1
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 03:42 PM |
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whats needed for bec transplant?
whats needed to convert my pinto to the 954cc rr3 fireblade lump im getting this weekend? ie, what MUST i make sure i get with the engine kit from the
breakers? it has...
- the key
- hiss ecu
- loom
- inj system
- all anciallaries
- the clocks
- all relays charging sys etc.
Is there anything else i must make sure i get with the kit to get it all working? ta in advance!
[Edited on 11/7/06 by Toady1]
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rayward
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 03:47 PM |
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asked the same when i bought mine,
link to thread
Ray
[Edited on 11/7/06 by rayward]
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ned
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 04:20 PM |
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imho you're better off selling the car as is and building another than converting it. There are several differences between bike and car engine
chassis and you'd probably do things differently/better a second time and would want to build a lighter car for a bike engine. By the time you
have swapped the engine and mounts/sorted a cradle, sorted the wiring, fuel system (is the engine on injection?) and bought all the required bits
you'd be better getting money from selling the car complete and building another. If you speak to mac1 or MK I'd put money on them telling
you the same as a friend/colleague has been through the same exercise but in reverse (ie bec to cec) but decided not to bother in the end.
Ned.
[Edited on 11/7/06 by ned]
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Toady1
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 04:32 PM |
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well i asked a similar question before i bought my indy and the responses were that the chassis' were the same. As far as lightness goes my cec
has been built to be as light as poss atm and prob weighs around 530kgs atm. there wouldnt be much to do in the line of wiring surely? and all that
would be needed on fuel side would be a pump, regulator and return and obviously wiring for it too.
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ned
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 04:38 PM |
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I thought there was a different plate on the tunnel for mounting the internediate prop bearing, brackets for the linkage and of course the mounts for
the engine cradle.
If both engines are carb'd then the fuel system might be ok, but if going to an injection engine you need to have the tunnel apart toput a
return fuel line in, you need a new prop, possibly a different ratio diff and the engine loom will need changing, depending on how you've done
it you should be able to leave all the lighting intact but may have to change gauges so the scuttle and dash will likely all need to come out. If not
sensors/senders if you keep the gauges may need changing or adapter purchased to fit them together. Would you need another bonnet as you've got
a cut out for a filter in it and the exhaust exit. You'd need to cut a hole in the side panel for the exhaust as well as buying one, you could
retain the silencer but would need a bracket on the other side of the car for it.
Ned.
ps 530kg odd sounds very light with a pinto fitted but if it is that light then I guess yoiu shouldn't have any problems with weight as with a
bike engine it should hopefully be nearer 450kg taking into account engine weight and integral gearbox weight saving on a bike engine.
[Edited on 11/7/06 by ned]
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Toady1
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 04:48 PM |
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yep, thought of all those already cheers neddy. As far as im aware the tunnel/chassis is the same. There was a guy at the last oxford meet with a
yellow one that had converted his crossflow to blade bec, he told me the chassis were the same too. My existing engine loom is as simple as poss to
make it as light as poss-it all counts i guess! the bonnet will need a bulge but tbh i wanted one of them anyway. The diff atm is an open 3.62, and
is something ive been thinking about changin to lsd, but not nessesity. As for the dash and tranny tunnel most of it will be going as i wanted to do
it in carbon fibre, (not very locost i know) and im getting the cbr clocks with the engine so will use them, except for the fuel gauge. I guess ill
have to have the speedo re-calculated tho.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 07:07 PM |
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You may need the throttle body tubes (commonly known as rampipes or trumpets) in case your going to use a different air filter. (but then again,
you'll need them anyway) Unsure as to format of newer blades...
[Edited on 11-7-06 by Phil Hellfire]
[Edited on 11-7-06 by Hellfire]
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 07:18 PM |
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its very easy to put a plate into the middle of the tunnel for the prop support anyway. I just drilled out a few rivets to get one side off, and used
a bit of 6mm bar to support it at the right height. Loom wasnt hard either, i started with a full bike loom, removed what wasnt needed (lights etc),
stuck everything else in, earthed where required, connected up the running and cranking lives, and wrapped it all up in tape.  Then used cable ties
to hold everything in place.
The cradle is very simple too infact. Two bars welded in and two spars bolted down.
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Toady1
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| posted on 11/7/06 at 09:48 PM |
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hellfire - should do as it comes with the air filter box too.
joelp - cheers for that.
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