I may be being dim but was looking at 'registering a kit car' page he re and unless I missed it or its described elsewhere, the page appears to show that you can either register your kit car as a new vehicle, with no more then 1 refurbed item, or if its built from lots of refurbished items then you get a Q plate.

Did the same page not use to say you can also get an age related plate with the donor car V5?

I wonder if the rules have changed, does anyone have any knowledge about this?

[Edited on 27/1/12 by GRRR]

Direct.gov site is one of the worst put together sites ever. its throw a six to start links get worse everytime they change them.

[Edited on 27/1/12 by loggyboy]

Well I'm just putting in for an age related now so will let you know in about a month, but I don't believe there has been any change. Just spent about half an hour going round in circles b4 I finally got to speak to a person to order a V55/5 to register, because YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD IT!!!!!!!
They didn't even know what a v627/1 was, but fortunately you CAN download that!

The link you posted originally is referring to kits built with all-new (one can be reconditioned) parts. Very few of us actually do this. I hunted around their web site for 5 minutes before I found what you were looking for (mainly because I know the DVLA call our kit cars 'Kit Conversions'........and HE RE you go.

Hope this helps, Steve.

Ahhh I see, cheers that makes sense.

Couple of questions though, for an age related plate, if you bought a new kit the '2 major components' could that be engine and gearbox? or would it have to be engine, gearbox and steering column to be on the safe side.

To get an age related plate, do you hand the dvla the Certificate of Destruction if you've already scrapped the shell, or do you have to hang on to the V5?

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Originally posted by GRRR
Ahhh I see, cheers that makes sense.

Couple of questions though, for an age related plate, if you bought a new kit the '2 major components' could that be engine and gearbox? or would it have to be engine, gearbox and steering column to be on the safe side.

To get an age related plate, do you hand the dvla the Certificate of Destruction if you've already scrapped the shell, or do you have to hang on to the V5?

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I posted somewhere here on the subject of age related plates recently.

DVLA view is that if the donor car is scrapped and a Certificate of Destruction is issued, the car no longer exists, so it cannot be a donor, even if you have the V5.

To be certain of an age related plate, SORN the donor, and scrap it AFTER the kit is registered.

Cheers,
Nev.

Apologies for jumping in mid-conversation, but I was wondering if anyone could clarify a point on this subject. When I am building my car, I am planning on doing the whole SORN thing and only scrapping the car once it's complete, so I can get the age related plate.

I was planning on following stevegough's advice about keeping the plates and weighing in the metal (mainly to keep the missus happy and not have half a car on the drive for the two years or so I plan on taking to build the car), but this article had me worried;

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/ChangesToYourRegistrationCertificate/DG_4022057

It refers to the fact that a car must be scrapped at an authorised treatment facility, and that in return they will give you a certificate of destruction. That will act as proof that it has been scrapped.

However, if you're only taking the vehicle ID plates having weighed in most of the car, surely they won't provide a certificate of destruction as they're not the people who destroyed the car?

^ Now that's an interesting question!

Dont worry, you can just inform the DVLA by sending the V5 to them with a covering letter saying the car was used as donor for a kitcar and therefore unable to be taken to a ATF.
You dont even have to give them that much detail, I scrapped a Nova years ago, a yard collected shell but never asked for the v5, I eventually just told the DVLA with a simple confirmation letter that I'd scrapped the car and left it at that. Got a letter a few weeks later thanking me and confirming I had no more resposibilities.

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Originally posted by Slimy38
Apologies for jumping in mid-conversation, but I was wondering if anyone could clarify a point on this subject. When I am building my car, I am planning on doing the whole SORN thing and only scrapping the car once it's complete, so I can get the age related plate.

I was planning on following stevegough's advice about keeping the plates and weighing in the metal (mainly to keep the missus happy and not have half a car on the drive for the two years or so I plan on taking to build the car), but this article had me worried;

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/ChangesToYourRegistrationCertificate/DG_4022057

It refers to the fact that a car must be scrapped at an authorised treatment facility, and that in return they will give you a certificate of destruction. That will act as proof that it has been scrapped.

However, if you're only taking the vehicle ID plates having weighed in most of the car, surely they won't provide a certificate of destruction as they're not the people who destroyed the car?

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No, my gut feeling is that if you do as I suggest, SORN the donor, weigh in the scrap metal, get proof that you weighed it in without ID - then explain the situation to the DVLA as you register your kit, you haven't tried to dump the car - you have the reciept for the metal, after all - you will have complied with the system. The link you are referring to is aimed at the thousands of cars which are left at the side of the road, dumped in quarries or ditches etc. - Ours is a special case, and the above is exactly what I did just a year ago - in fact, this is the recieipt I gave to the DVLA (under the Locostbuilders Logo it says "scrap car to kit car) - the scrappers even put the reg on, but as they didn't get the V5 they couldn't scrap it officially.

Hope this is of some help towards answering your question.


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[Edited on 15/2/12 by stevegough]

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Originally posted by stevegough
No, my gut feeling is that if you do as I suggest, SORN the donor, weigh in the scrap metal, get proof that you weighed it in without ID - then explain the situation to the DVLA as you register your kit, you haven't tried to dump the car - you have the reciept for the metal, after all - you will have complied with the system. The link you are referring to is aimed at the thousands of cars which are left at the side of the road, dumped in quarries or ditches etc. - Ours is a special case, and the above is exactly what I did just a year ago - in fact, this is the recieipt I gave to the DVLA (under the Locostbuilders Logo it says "scrap car to kit car) - the scrappers even put the reg on, but as they didn't get the V5 they couldn't scrap it officially.

Hope this is of some help towards answering your question.


Ah! but do you have to be a Nuclear Scientist to understand it?

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Slimy38 - 15/2/12 at 09:07 PM

Ah, it sounds like the DVLA aren't necessarily the bunch of mindless drones that I expected them to be. If they're open to a plain English explanation along with a reasonable level of documentation then it's all good.

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Dave Bailey - 15/2/12 at 09:25 PM

Now here is a good one...

Suppose you have a V5 not scrapped detailing a Sierra Diesel... It had an engine change and the V5 now reflects a 2003 Zetec petrol engine... You then use these parts to build the kitcar....

What emission rules would you have to comply with and would you get an age related plate?

Zetec Engine - Type 9 Gearbox - LSD

Dave B

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skov - 15/2/12 at 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by Dave Bailey
Now here is a good one...

Suppose you have a V5 not scrapped detailing a Sierra Diesel... It had an engine change and the V5 now reflects a 2003 Zetec petrol engine... You then use these parts to build the kitcar....

What emission rules would you have to comply with and would you get an age related plate?

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IVA emissions are based on engine age, not donor age, so you'd need a CAT test.

Not sure about the age related plate though, I think you'd get away with it.

[Edited on 15/2/12 by skov]

[Edited on 15/2/12 by skov]

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stevegough - 16/2/12 at 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by Dave Bailey
Now here is a good one...

Suppose you have a V5 not scrapped detailing a Sierra Diesel... It had an engine change and the V5 now reflects a 2003 Zetec petrol engine... You then use these parts to build the kitcar....

What emission rules would you have to comply with and would you get an age related plate?
Dave B

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Age related plate is dependant on you proving origins - as I said earlier in this thread - you should still get a plate based on the Sierra's.

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Ah! but do you have to be a Nuclear Scientist to understand it?

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No, but it helps, - especially as I have been one THREE times as long as you have been building your kit, 40 inches!

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40inches - 16/2/12 at 03:45 PM

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Ah! but do you have to be a Nuclear Scientist to understand it?

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No, but it helps, - especially as I have been one THREE times as long as you have been building your kit, 40 inches!

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