I've done the obligatory search and come to the following conclusion, could anyone clarify whether they think its correct.
If I (or someone else) built their own chassis and used a FWD donor vehicle which provided engine, box, shafts and front hubs (now on rear of car) and
brakes......that SHOULD qualify for an age related plate. Correct??
Yes, engine and box is sufficient. Allthough chassis should technically be from professional manufacturer, and whilst historically others have managed, under new central dvla control I believe it will get harder to do so.
Looking on the new DVLA website it doesnt look like you can get an age related plate anymore, under kit cars its not listed there anymore.
[Edited on 9/8/13 by chrism]
You still can. The DVLA did remove the option but are supposed to be putting it back.
I did age related 3 weeks ago.
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Originally posted by chrism
Looking on the new DVLA website it doesnt look like you can get an age related plate anymore, under kit cars its not listed there anymore.
[Edited on 9/8/13 by chrism]
Yeah doing a search I found the document that thread mentions, (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http s%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvla.gov.uk%2Fdvla%2Fforms%2F~%2Fmedia%2Fpdf%2Fleaflets%2Finf26.ashx&ei=zVAFUpnQH6-b0AWrjoHoDQ&usg=AFQjCNEk75CV8wzhzB13k74eHvoc8 Si-ew&sig2=SR_XpBVppa-6wuxTHXuRmQ) you only need 2 major parts so engine and gearbox will be OK. It does say that chassis must be from a specialist kit manufacturer, but I suppose that building one yourself makes you a specialist, or maybe make 5 and say your a manufacturer. Still seems like you could have problems if you get a jobsworth doing the registration which with the loss of the local offices could possibly happen. I'd hope that it didnt happen though.
I managed to get an age related plate with documents proving the engine and gearbox had been refurbished.
see: http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/26/viewthread.php?tid=183359
I think that was the right decision, Q plates give you licence to pollute the planet unlimited by any checks or balances. I think they try to give age
related plates where possible. I can send you the letter I got from DVLA if it helps (don't want to post it here).
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Originally posted by theprisioner
I managed to get an age related plate with documents proving the engine and gearbox had been refurbished.
see: http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/26/viewthread.php?tid=183359
I think that was the right decision, Q plates give you licence to pollute the planet unlimited by any checks or balances. I think they try to give age related plates where possible. I can send you the letter I got from DVLA if it helps (don't want to post it here).
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Originally posted by theprisioner
I think that was the right decision, Q plates give you licence to pollute the planet unlimited by any checks or balances.
Not actually true, just spoken to my local MoT man. He says if it has a Q plate they don't even test the emissions they only do a smoke test. When I say a test it is a judgment call on how much smoke. Perhaps he has not had the up-to-date training on that one.
All cars will have an emissions test based on engine age for IVA, as cars arent registered at that point. If you then register as a Q, you will only be tested for visible smoke for MOTs.
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Originally posted by theprisioner
Not actually true, just spoken to my local MoT man. He says if it has a Q plate they don't even test the emissions they only do a smoke test. When I say a test it is a judgment call on how much smoke. Perhaps he has not had the up-to-date training on that one.
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Originally posted by chrism
Ive found this in the MOT testers handbook.
http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/730_newnoncat.pdf
Any kit car Q reg or not that was first registered after the SVA started should be tested to the emission limits printed on the V5 unless an older engine has been fitted and then its the owners responsibility to prove the engine age to the MOT tester.
Also any kit car registered before SVA was introduced regardless of what reg is only a visual check.
It seems to be that a lot of MOT testers are not very clued up on the rules, but I doubt anyone is going to complain about this one.
[Edited on 10/8/13 by chrism]
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Originally posted by loggyboy
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Originally posted by chrism
Ive found this in the MOT testers handbook.
http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/730_newnoncat.pdf
Any kit car Q reg or not that was first registered after the SVA started should be tested to the emission limits printed on the V5 unless an older engine has been fitted and then its the owners responsibility to prove the engine age to the MOT tester.
Also any kit car registered before SVA was introduced regardless of what reg is only a visual check.
It seems to be that a lot of MOT testers are not very clued up on the rules, but I doubt anyone is going to complain about this one.
[Edited on 10/8/13 by chrism]
It doesnt mention Qs in that pdf, only kit cars.
The beginning introduction states in the current online testers manual,
"Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971"
That mean for emissions visible smoke only.
It is in the section "How to use this manual" - section 3b
Link
[Edited on 10-8-13 by loggyboy]
My understanding is the IVA tester has no knowledge or interest (at present) what the registration status is (different department) he just applies the current legislation on emissions (eg Lambda = 1.03). If subsequently the DVLA in their wisdom apply a Q plate this is where the ambiguity appears to apply in the favour of the polluter.
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Originally posted by chrism
Ah I missed that bit, but it does still say that the the Q plate being classed as pre 1971 is only used when the first used date is not available or incorrect, so not a blanket all Q reg cars and for a kit car that has been put through SVA/IVA I would have thought that the first used date would be the date of registration which should come up on the vehicle information.
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Originally posted by loggyboy
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Originally posted by chrism
Ah I missed that bit, but it does still say that the the Q plate being classed as pre 1971 is only used when the first used date is not available or incorrect, so not a blanket all Q reg cars and for a kit car that has been put through SVA/IVA I would have thought that the first used date would be the date of registration which should come up on the vehicle information.
The official manual is here, http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4i00000001.htm
That specifically mentions emissions
Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as follows: For emission purposes only, all these types are to be considered as vehicles first used before 1 August 1975. For all other testing purposes they are to be considered as being first used on 1 January 1971, or c. In any other case, the earlier of either: · Its date of first registration, or · The date six months after it was manufactured.
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Originally posted by chrism
Any kit car Q reg or not that was first registered after the SVA started should be tested to the emission limits printed on the V5 unless an older engine has been fitted and then its the owners responsibility to prove the engine age to the MOT tester.
Also any kit car registered before SVA was introduced regardless of what reg is only a visual check.
For emissions, IF a Q plate has a first used date its overuled by the text ive already quoted.
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Originally posted by loggyboy
For emissions, IF a Q plate has a first used date its overuled by the text ive already quoted.
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3. Vehicle ‘first used’ Dates - Application of Test Criteria NT’s will normally be provided with the vehicle details as part of the Vehicle Specific Information supplied by the MOT database. This will usually include the vehicle’s ‘first used’ date. Where this information is available, the NT should only use Reasons for Rejection applicable to the vehicle’s age. However, in cases where this information is not available or incorrect, the NT should determine the vehicle’s ‘first used’ date as follows: a. Its date of manufacture, if the vehicle was originally used without being registered in GB (e.g., an imported vehicle or ex-HM Forces vehicle), or b. Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as follows: For emission purposes only, all these types are to be considered as vehicles first used before 1 August 1975. For all other testing purposes they are to be considered as being first used on 1 January 1971, or c. In any other case, the earlier of either: · Its date of first registration, or · The date six months after it was manufactured. This information should be entered onto the VTS Device to enable the NT to select the appropriate Reason for Rejection.
I received an age related number plate this week from the DVLA, I also used a 4x4 engine, gearbox, rear diff etc with a new homemade chassis.