MautoK
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 06:11 PM |
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SVA/DVLA logistics
At last I'm embarking on the registration paper chase, but there's a few aspects that don't seem to stack up (or at least give rise
to some queries)
It breaks into two basic stages, VOSA and DVLA
First stage (VOSA-related):
1. Fill in the SVA1 app. form. This requires a VIN which I shall make up. Send SVA1 plus cash to VOSA and they come back with a booking.
2. Make up plates stamped with VIN and attach to chassis.
3. Fix up insurance referenced to the VIN.
4. Book an MoT; this is also ref'd to the VIN.
5. Drive to MoT and hopefully pass; drive home.
6. Drive to SVA and hopefully pass; drive home with MAC.
So if all goes to plan this far, there's a fair few miles driven in a car that DVLA knows nothing about and its only identification is the VIN
which I made up.
Now VOSA administer both SVA and MoT tests, so hopefully their systems will tie up the two tests to my car.
I am concerned at the ramifications if I'm stopped by the Police en route to/from MoT & SVA - their first step is presumably to contact DVLA
who will have no knowledge of the as-yet unregistered car with only my made-up VIN to identify it (known only to me, VOSA and the Insurance company).
Car gets impounded and destroyed?!?!?!?
The second stage begins with first contact with DVLA...
1. Send or take V55/5, V627/1, MAC, money, etc, to DVLA.
2. DVLA issue registration number.
3. Get plates made up.
4. Notify Insurence company of Reg. No to replace VIN as the car's primary ID.
5. ??? Notify VOSA of Reg No to tie up with VIN.... or do DVLA and VOSA speak to each other ???
6. Drive!!! 
This raises the concern is that DVLA decide that they don't like my VIN for some reason and issue me with one that they invent. This
doesn't bear thinking about as I can see it invalidating the MoT and SVA !
Also, there's the issue of DVLA inspecting the car - at what point does this happen - and do I or DVLA instigate it...?
Have I got it right?
Thanks in advance for any constructive comments or observations on the foregoing waffle.
PS Didn't see any MKs at Exeter last Saturday. (except their stand)
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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Paul (Notts)
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 06:25 PM |
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First I would go to the DVLA with the Vin you intend to use and get them to check it. I had no end of trouble with them after the SVA because they
decided they did not like the VIN I had used on the basis that I had made it up and it did not meet some remote European legislation that states the
first 3 letters must be issued as a unique code for the manufacture of a car made for sale in the European community.
I eventually won after threatening legal action and being on the phone to their policy group in Swansea every day for a week. They finally decided
that the rule did not apply as the car was not built for sale.
Get any confirmation in writing.
OR just get then to issue you one.
Secondly – why get an MOT – once your on the system you may find you then need one every year. You should not need one for the first 3 years!
Paul
PS - you can drive to SVA and back without plates but with just insurance on VIN. I had a police car pass by me and not take a blind bit of notice
that I had no Plates.
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omega0684
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 06:30 PM |
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an sva passed and dvla registered car is seen as a new vehicle, no mot for the first three years!
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MautoK
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 06:38 PM |
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Thanks guys.
I called the Exeter SVA station a few weeks back and he was pretty much insistent that I had an MoT first.
I understand that it isn't a requirement but at least someone else gets to check it over before the SVA. It also gets a few miles on the car and
a chance for the brakes to bed in.
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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JeffHs
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 06:43 PM |
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I had to Mot. Both SVA and DVLA insisted that a car made from s/h bits was not a new car but the bar stewards would not give me an age-related plate
Aargh!!
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 08:07 PM |
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Hello MautoK
I live close to Exeter and went through the SVA there so I can just make one or two points that may be of help to you.
I have nothing but the highest respect for Byron the VOSA tester at Exeter. He is really positive and will do his best to pass your car. He encourages
telephone calls before SVA to clear any queries that you might have and to clarify what is permitted and what is not.
However, he is under the impression that an MOT is necessary before registration but this is not the case. You will not need an MOT for 3 years from
the date of first registration.
Because of the new Combined Vehicle Database Insurance commpanies are reluctant to offer cover for more than 2 weeks on the chassis number. This will
give you a problem in the event of an SVA fail because you will have to book another test and fix the fail items.
I took my car to SVA on a trailer and I will be happy to lend you my trailer if it would help you.
Before SVA I hired the Haynes Test track for half a day at a cost of £70. I had the track to myself and was able to bed the brakes in and make sure
everything worked. This is fantastic value and very convenient to us down here in the West. Again, if you would like to do the same, you are welcome
to borrow the trailer.
My experience with the DVLA here in Exeter is very very good. An Inspector came out to see the car very quickly and it took only 10 minutes after SVA
to walk out with the authorisation to get the plates made up. We are very lucky to be in this part of the country.
Do send me a U2U if I can help.
atb
John
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 08:10 PM |
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but the bar stewards would not give me an age-related plate Aargh!!
I think I'm right in saying that you will only be allowed an age related plate if you can show that the major items (still on a points system I
believe) came from a donor vehicle for which you have the V5.
John
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BenB
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 10:25 PM |
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It's a bit of a pain if Mr SVA won't do the test without an MOT..... DVLA often try and pull the MOT trick but you can usually persuade
them against insisting by asking what the MOT will find that an SVA test will not!!!!
Mr SVA probably knows a bit more and could point out what a SVAable car could still fail the MOT on.....
but then the whole thing is a bit silly.... A 4 hour test is likely to be a better test of road worthiness than a 35-40 minute (with fag break) quick
shoofty (not insulting any MOT testers in the house )....
After all it's not as if new cars are guaranteed to make it 3 years before potentially developing MOT fail points... How many Vanquishes make it
all the way to the first 3 year MOT before needing some new boots.....
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robinj66
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| posted on 18/11/08 at 11:18 PM |
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You also need to send an Amateur Build Declaration form to VOSA with your SVA1 (it's on the VOSA site).
It is also a good idea to send photos to them showing (at least) the fitment of the major components (as defined on the Amateur Build declararation)
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nitram38
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| posted on 19/11/08 at 07:04 AM |
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Regards Vin number, make up your own within the rules, like 17 numbers/letters or less and no I's Q's etc.
Then check it on a vin checker on the internet. There are lots of these which do checks on your car. If your vin does not come up it will be ok to
use.
Don't say anything to the dvla, just put the vin on your forms.
For all they know the "manufacturer" put this on the chassis or it was an import.
What do you think they do with Jap imports? They register the Vin on the imported car. They don't have an agreement with the jap government to
issue Vin's do they?
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 19/11/08 at 09:24 AM |
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quote: It's a bit of a pain if Mr SVA won't do the test without an MOT.
Ben, My car was tested at Exeter at the end of last year and there was no question of it having an MOT before SVA. As I mentioned, although Byron said
it would need an MOT before registration, DVLA told me it wouldn't need an MOT for 3 years and issued the registration with no problems all in
the space of 10 minutes.
atb
John
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caber
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| posted on 19/11/08 at 11:15 AM |
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Definitely no MOT needed for SVA or DVLA. Whe i went through this earlier this year it eventually transpired that there are errors in the DVLA
training manuals so be insistent and get them to check with Swansea!
Good luck!
Caber
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MautoK
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| posted on 19/11/08 at 04:04 PM |
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Thanks for all your comments, guys.
It's interesting to see such a range of opinion!
I've just fired off a letter to Exeter DVLA with my suggestion for the VIN and await their reply - either 'OK' or 'use the one
we tell you to use'
As they say - whatever!
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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