stevegough
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 08:26 AM |
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CBS all-in-one rear light??? EDIT -they ARE COMPLIANT - see my post on 2nd page.
Just got CBS newsletter, and I see they're offering a 'cheap' all in one rear light which is claimed to be 'IVA OK'.
Thought these guys knew what they are doing? As I recall, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, there has to be a minimum
separation between stop lights and foglights of 100mm for IVA?
CBS rear lights
One of the fail points on my IVA was down to buying an 'SVA OK' set from them (advertised and bought 12 months after IVA replaced SVA) -
the foglight had the wrong lens on it - (it was a standard rear light which was ok for SVA, but IVA tightened up the regs, and it failed.)
The moral here is - don't automatically believe what the suppliers say is legal to be correct - check for yourself.
[Edited on 6/10/11 by stevegough]
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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Davegtst
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 08:31 AM |
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How much!!!!!! Doesn't even look nice imo.
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 08:32 AM |
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cheap?
yeh ok 
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stevegough
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 08:41 AM |
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Yeah, - £312, buy one and get a free IVA fail to boot
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 08:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevegough
Yeah, - £312, buy one and get a free IVA fail to boot
Might be worth feeding it back to them - at least it'd stop others having the same problem you did.
I've always found CBS expensive but efficient and helpful. lets hope its just an oversight. 
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jabbahutt
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 08:53 AM |
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Am I reading the information right? £300 notes and then you pay extra for the insert to go in the middle?
Honest opinion, ugly as sin
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 08:54 AM |
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Outrageously expensive, and a bit too gaudy for most 7's.
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adithorp
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 09:00 AM |
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Assuming the outer row of LED's at one end are the brake light and the other end is the fog, then they could be 100mm apart. No clue to
size/scale in the photo.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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stevegough
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 09:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Norfolkluegojnr
quote:
Originally posted by stevegough
Yeah, - £312, buy one and get a free IVA fail to boot
Might be worth feeding it back to them - at least it'd stop others having the same problem you did.
I've always found CBS expensive but efficient and helpful. lets hope its just an oversight.
You are quite right, Norfolkluegojnr, so I have just sent them this email:
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Hi,
just got your newsletter.
Would like to point out that the all-in-one rear LED lights:
http://www.cbsonline.co.uk/product/LED_Rectangular_Rear_Light_Stop%7CTail%7CIndicator%7CRear_Fog%7CReverse_Pair_RL81
are almost certainly not IVA OK as stated – there has to be a minimum separation of 100mm between stop and fog lights.
Now, you may think I am being a smartarse, but if you look in your files you will see that I bought a complete set of the NAS lights which you (at the
time) stated were ‘SVA OK’. This was over a year after the introduction of the IVA test. I duly fitted them, and failed my IVA in dec ‘10 because
the foglight wasn’t IVA compliant.
Just trying to save some other poor sod from the same fate.....
Best regards, Steve Gough (Blackpool).
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I'll keep you informed of their response.
It is possible, that Adrian (Adithorp) is correct and they are compliant, but I doubt it.
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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owelly
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 09:28 AM |
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It says the 6mm mounting holes are 100mm apart so looking at the rear of the unit, its possible that the fog and brake are over 100mm apart as
suggested above. Even though, you can build a complete car for less than the price of one rear light!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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blakep82
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 10:08 AM |
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always read the manual!
"Note 2: Rear Fog Lamp to Rear Brake Lamp separation distance must be measured between the “illuminating surface” of each lamp. “Illuminating
Surface” should be taken to be the area of the “reflector” to the rear of the bulbs.
Where lamps are mounted in a common housing and are “E” marked, the separation criteria should be assumed to be met."
this unit is e-marked, so seperation is assumed met.
how many production cars do you see where the fog light is within the same housing as the brake/tail? just about all of them now, except some jap
cars
anyways, if anyone was planning on spending so much on some lorry trailer lights for a tiny car, well, not sure CBS can be blamed for taste 
[Edited on 6/10/11 by blakep82]
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IVA manual link http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1081997083
don't write OT on a new thread title, you're creating the topic, everything you write is very much ON topic!
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scootz
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 10:22 AM |
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I like 'em... think I'll buy a set and then flog 'em at 50% in a couple of weeks!
Gentlemen (and ladies) - form the queue!!! 
It's Evolution Baby!
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Peteff
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 10:38 AM |
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It used to say in the SVA that if the lamps were part of same unit then the regulation was not applicable.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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stevegough
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 posted on 6/10/11 at 10:38 AM |
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I was wrong - they are compliant......
Just got to take my hat off to Adithorp, Orwelly and Blake.....had a very quick reply from Mark at CBS.....
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Steve, Thanks for your email. Sorry for the problems that you had with the Fog light. Unfortunatley when the test changed from SVA to IVA the
rules were tightened. Before you only needed a light that was or equal intensity to a E marked Fog light and now IVE rules insist on a F marked Fog.
As for the new lamps they are IVA compliant as they have both the F mark and 100mm between the
tail lamp and the fog.
Thanks again for mailing, it is nice to know some people take the time to read what I write
Matt
Car Builder Solutions
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So there you go - impressed with the speed of the reply. (24 minutes!).
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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franky
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 11:11 AM |
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Did you mention they got the price wrong and put an extra 0 on the end?
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stevegough
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 11:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by franky
Did you mention they got the price wrong and put an extra 0 on the end?
No, but you have a point - I can't understand why these flippin' LED lights are so expensive?
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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40inches
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 02:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevegough
quote:
Originally posted by franky
Did you mention they got the price wrong and put an extra 0 on the end?
No, but you have a point - I can't understand why these flippin' LED lights are so expensive?
Cos der BLING init!
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stevegough
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 02:46 PM |
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Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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samjc
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| posted on 6/10/11 at 05:57 PM |
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Well researched, i had a discusion with a company called bolt on bits (mainly lighting for landrovers) who say they do a lot of kit car peoples
clusters and switches but i mentiond neither their nice led or std buld fog and reverse were iva acceptible which je seemd shocked by as he seemd to
know a lot about his stock. Also the expence issue is a joke as if it werent for E and F Marking i could nock something like that up for around £40
tops altho LEDd are very clear and bright.
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