Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 03:19 PM |
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Crash damaged kitty to go back on road
I'm just about done getting a crash damaged kit car finished but I have been told it requires an engineer to certify that it is road worthy
again. Who are these engineers exactly; would the DVLA have approved ones? It was originally built before the SVA and as such has a snowballs chance
in hell of passing that.
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fesycresy
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 03:21 PM |
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I assume you mean a VIC test ?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 03:26 PM |
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hmm just looked that up
Doesn’t sound the same as the VIC test seems to be about numbers etc and not an engineer checking it over for competent repair work
[Edited on 26/3/08 by Mr Whippy]
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r1_pete
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 03:29 PM |
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What category of write off was it? A and B can't go back on the road, C requires a VIC, and D just goes back. If there was no write off involved
and the car was registered etc. beforehand should need nothing....
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 03:32 PM |
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I was told it was a cat C and that it could be repaired by me even though the whole front was ripped off! I bought it back of the insurance conpany
after they said it was not cost effective to fix.
So if I read that thing correctly about the VIC test there is no engineers report? god this is confusing, do I just then take it for an MOT, how do
they know the cars straight?
[Edited on 26/3/08 by Mr Whippy]
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eznfrank
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 03:41 PM |
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Was it the insurer that told you it need inspecting or the DVLA? In addition to any checks the DVLA make most insurers want to know that it's
now back to a roadworthy state too.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 03:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
Was it the insurer that told you it need inspecting or the DVLA? In addition to any checks the DVLA make most insurers want to know that it's
now back to a roadworthy state too.
It was a wee while ago but I do remember being told (by the insurance company) I needed and engineers report, car was like a banana and missing rather
a lot, so maybe that’s why they said that. What I'm wondering is where do I go to get one?
[Edited on 26/3/08 by Mr Whippy]
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iank
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 04:02 PM |
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Ask and google will provide
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/UsefulContactsByCategory/MotoringContacts/DG_069953
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eznfrank
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 04:04 PM |
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I thought that might be the case, the DVLA don't usually bother. Most insurers won't have a panel of engineers as such as they tend to
have all in house but IIRC they will accept almost any that have some letters after their name. I could recommend some very good engineers but
they're all silly money as they do forensic work.
TBH - the person who reads the report will likely be a sales person rather than claims and as long as it says it's not bent anymore and is
roadworthy they will likely accept it. Just for the record, I aint suggesting getting a dodgy one, just that most aren't looking for great
detail or anything specific. Probably best to just ask the insurer exactly what they want.
[Edited on 26/3/08 by eznfrank]
[Edited on 26/3/08 by eznfrank]
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r1_pete
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 04:21 PM |
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The VIC doesn't check the quality of repair, it is soley concerned with ensuring the identity of the vehicle. i.e. you havent bought a written
off blue astra then nicked a blue astra and do an id switch:
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 04:35 PM |
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Cheers guys for the help. I have just come of the phone from the testing station and apparently it needs not only the VIC test/check but also a
Vehicle assessor to look it over (not cheap) so I'll have to find one 
I just wonder if I could just do the VIC and Mot and then try and insure it. What would the chances be for another insurance company having details of
any requirement for an engineers report? Anyone good at hacking computer systems 
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eznfrank
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 04:45 PM |
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Although most insurers wouldn't be aware it was a write off when they take your policy pennies, if you did have a claim that would almost
definitely run your details through their MIAFTR system and discover the previous loss and then no ££ for Mr.W.
If you just "forgot" to tell them about it when you set the policy up then you risk commiting an offence under the Fraud Act.
[Edited on 26/3/08 by eznfrank]
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snapper
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 04:56 PM |
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I rebuilt a 309 GTI that i foolishly spun into a roundabout, as it was uneconomical to repait i bought it back of the insurance company and when
completed thats when they said they wanted an engineers inspection and report.
I had big problems getting one to agree to do the inspection, seems they only like proper bodyshops.
It did get done and it did pass, he looked for proper welding and construction and tested the brakes etc, not an SVA by any means but wanted to make
sure it would not fall apart and was safe for other road users.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 05:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by snapper
I rebuilt a 309 GTI that i foolishly spun into a roundabout, as it was uneconomical to repait i bought it back of the insurance company and when
completed thats when they said they wanted an engineers inspection and report.
I had big problems getting one to agree to do the inspection, seems they only like proper bodyshops.
It did get done and it did pass, he looked for proper welding and construction and tested the brakes etc, not an SVA by any means but wanted to make
sure it would not fall apart and was safe for other road users.
ah so the chances are they will ask, hmm
not that I'm bothered as the cars better made than when first put on the road with a lot of improvements I did after seeing problem areas after
the crash (particually the ones that left scar's) You know I honestly still get headaches, 4 years after my head split the windscreen
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 09:24 PM |
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I used to do this a couple of years back (MIMI engineer).
If you get the car MOT'd, and make a list of everything you have done to repair the car in a smart looking document you should be OK.
It is all about responsibility, and third party product liability insurance. If the engineer can cover his ass by sloping responsibility onto the MOT
garage for any covered failures, and you if anything fails that you have done outside the original design, the happier he will be to examine the car.
The examination should cost about £75 and take about 1 hour, the assessor may insist that the car is on a 2 post ramp for the examination so be
prepared.
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 10:29 PM |
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great thanks for that, looking forward to having it back on the road this summer 
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Stu16v
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| posted on 26/3/08 at 11:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
What category of write off was it? A and B can't go back on the road,
Not quite. A and B vehicles *shouldn't* go back on the road - but unfortunately the categorisation process is only a 'code of
conduct', so the odd one does slip through the net
Dont just build it.....make it!
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neilj37
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| posted on 27/3/08 at 08:01 AM |
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Mr Whippy if you need some guidance I can chat to one of the guys in the office that I work with who regularly repairs Cat C & D cars + He should
be able to advice what he does to get the cars back on the road.
Drop me a U2U if you want any help.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/3/08 at 12:49 PM |
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It's worth noting that unless the car has had a marker placed on it by DVLA, then you cannot have a VIC. Vehicle Identity Checks aren't
done on request but they are compulsory if one is required.
What usually happens when the vehicle is written off, the insurance company request the V5C from you and then return it to DVLA, who then put a marker
on the vehicle which is only cleared once a VIC has been carried out.
If you still have the V5C, chances are it won't be marked for a VIC.
Phil
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