scootz
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 10:37 AM |
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Emmission Requirements
I have a car that was built in 1987 for a one-make race series that I would like to try and SVA.
I can prove that everything bar the engine was assembled in 1987.
My engine of choice is a 2006 RX-8 lump.
Can anyone provide a simple answer as to what the emmission requirements will be in the circumstances?
Cheers!
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nib1980
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 10:45 AM |
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i believe all you have to do is prove engine age and they test to that year
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scootz
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 10:58 AM |
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B*gger B*gger B*gger!
I was hoping that 'cars age' would have impacted upon the emmission reg's!!!!!!!
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BenB
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:24 AM |
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Can the engine be proved to be > '95? (or is it '96- memory like a sieve!!)
If so put it through with that engine and convert to RX8 afterwards...
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Hellfire
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:42 AM |
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Unless you can provide proof that the engine is pre August 1995, you will have to pass the more stringent emissions test.
Why do you think that a 2006 RX8 lump is going to have a problem with emissions at SVA??
Phil
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:46 AM |
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Vehicles older than 10 years do not have to pass SVA, you should just be able to register with DVLA if you have appropriate evidence of the age.
It's still up to you to comply with C&U and Lighting regulations but it will not be formally checked before registration.
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scootz
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:47 AM |
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Because I want to strip all the emmissions control gubbins off the engine (there's a lot!).
No idea what it's output might be with straight TB induction and basic exhaust!
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scootz
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:48 AM |
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Hi Matt, I thought about that, but it was built as a race car - it's not a production car derivative.
Does this matter?
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scootz
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:55 AM |
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Hmmm, just been looking at the DVLA site again. Seem's like I just might be able to register it as an 'old' vehicle. Further
reading required methinks!
DVLA
[Edited on 18/10/07 by scootz]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:55 AM |
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Do you have any official documentation of when it was built?
I wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult to get through emissions at SVA, even with all the emission controls removed, provided you fit
a good aftermarket cat to the exhaust.
Phil
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scootz
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:59 AM |
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I do indeed - have the original Reynard / Lotus papers.
[Edited on 18/10/07 by scootz]
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 12:53 PM |
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I don't think it really matters what the intention was when it was built. It's more that at the time it was built it could have been
registered without SVA and as such it is 'unfair' to require it now.
As I said before though, you still have to comply with many of the same requirements and although they will never be checked, you could land yourself
in very hot water in the event of an accident or a particulalrly keen police officer if the car is obviously not designed for road use.
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scootz
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 01:01 PM |
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Not doubting you Matt... I'm learning as I go here!
But... if the car passes an MOT and meets the DVLA documentation requirements, then why would I potentially land in hot-water (unless I caused said
accident, or was driving like a plum)?
[Edited on 18/10/07 by scootz]
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 03:10 PM |
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The MOT only test the 'condition' of a selection of items on the vehicle, not the design or construction. A couple of examples:
Lights must be a certain distance above the road and from the edge of the vehicle. This is not something that would be checked at MOT or by the DVLA
but is a legal requirement.
Speedometer must read accurately.
Wheels must be within bodyplan of vehicle.
There are hundreds of others!
In reality the liklihood of being picked up on these kind of things is low (look at all the chavs with bodykits, coloured lights, loud exhausts) but
technically you have to comply. The only way to know what you have to comply with is to read C&U and the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations or to
follow the SVA requirements.
As an aside, to further complicate matters some of what's in SVA is not in the above UK regulations but based on EU directives and regulations
for type-approval (and only apply pre-registration), making it legal to make certain changes post SVA as we all do. Other stuff which is in C&U
and RVLR should therefore (legally) not be altered.
What you have to do in theory and what people do in reality are, of course, a certain distance apart 
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scootz
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 05:55 PM |
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Would all these things still apply to an older vehicle? I.e, if it was awarded an E prefix plate (1988), would it not be judged on the merits of a
car from that era and the requirements from that era?
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 19/10/07 at 08:01 AM |
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I would expect the regs that apply are those that were in force when the vehicle was built. Not sure if date of build is recorded on the V5c, but a
record of it must be kept somewhere otherwise you would be able to transfer on a newer personal plate after registration.
This would obviously not be the case if you were to SVA the vehicle in which case it would have to meet modern standards (except emissions for some
reason which go by the date of the engine!)
[Edited on 19/10/07 by matt_claydon]
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