Snap-off
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 09:39 AM |
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Driving before SVA?
Thought I would ask this on here as my local DVLA guy wont answer his phone.
Am I right in assuming that you are only allowed to drive the car to an from the SVA test and not to a pre SVA MOT test as it is not part of legal
registration for the car?
But due to needing the VIN number checked and signed off as a part of legal registration of the car at the DVLA, does this mean I can drive it to a
pre booked appointment at an MOT station?
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 09:52 AM |
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This is the DVLA you are talking about here - seems like some allow you to drive to the appointment and some insist you trailer it (and then some come
to you!!). Seems like they make the rules up as they go along!!
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Snap-off
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:04 AM |
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Yes they do make it up as they go along!
I think my second question may have been asked wrong. The DVLA have given me a form that must be stamped and signed by a local garage to confirm that
the plate and stamp for the vin number is correctly placed etc. I was wondering if I can drive the car to get this done?
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:08 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Snap-off
Yes they do make it up as they go along!
I think my second question may have been asked wrong. The DVLA have given me a form that must be stamped and signed by a local garage to confirm that
the plate and stamp for the vin number is correctly placed etc. I was wondering if I can drive the car to get this done?
??? EH 
DVLA have to inspect that anyway.. seems daft to me and I certainly didn't have to do that..
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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BenB
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:15 AM |
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That's a new one on me!!!
Usually the rules are
SVA- clearly you can drive to this (as long as you have insurance etc)
DVLA inspection- differs from one place to another, if it's on the way home from SVA it's pragmatically okay... If it's a seperate
day check with the DVLA office, some say you can (make sure you get the persons name if so just in case you get stopped!!) others say it's
trailer time. Often the "inspector" will come out to you
MOT- again, as long as you have insurance it's okay to drive to a pre-arranged MOT. But do you really want to MOT before SVA? There is a
suggestion that once you are on the MOT computer (even with a VIN number and not a reg plate) it's difficult to get off it and not do MOTs in
the first 3 years)...
To get a garage to not do an MOT but just verify the VIN number doesn't fall under any of these categories so IMHO you'd need to trailer
it...
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Snap-off
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:24 AM |
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??? EH
DVLA have to inspect that anyway.. seems daft to me and I certainly didn't have to do that..
I didn't think I had to do this but it states on the form:
Please arrange through a franchised dealer or local garage for this number to be stamped or permanently embossed on the chassis/bodywork of the
vehicle.
IMPORTANT
In order for the registration of the vehicle to be completed it is necessary for the garage/dealer to comfirm that the identity number has been
stamped or permanently embossed on the vehicle. Please ensure that this letter is authorised below by the garage and returned to me at the above
address. Registration of the vehicle cannot be completed and a registration document issued until this is received.
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whitestu
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:25 AM |
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quote:
MOT- again, as long as you have insurance it's okay to drive to a pre-arranged MOT. But do you really want to MOT before SVA? There is a
suggestion that once you are on the MOT computer (even with a VIN number and not a reg plate) it's difficult to get off it and not do MOTs in
the first 3 years)...
When I looked into this I could find nothing that said it was OK to drive to an MOT before SVA.
Stu
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BenB
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:40 AM |
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I thought legally it was okay to drive to a pre-arranged MOT on a car without tax as long as you've got insurance. I cannot see why being
unregistered changes this?? But then the mirky rules of the DVLA don't always follow logic!!!
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richardh
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:45 AM |
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i was told by a traffic officer that i could drive it to and from MOT and sva as long as appointment booked and name of driver confirmed (insurance on
vin number of course)
never heard of having to get vin stamped in by garage - you may have to decvlare that as not totally an amateur built car 0 beware.
the stamps must be legible and over a certain size - car builder solutions sell suitable stamp kits.
not sure about a pre-mot - if you leave it til last minute (ish) then book it for an mot then see what it fails on, fix it, sva it then remot it with
the timescales (10 days for free recheck)
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richardh
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:47 AM |
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actually i also put a sign on back of car saying " SVA TEST - Gillingham" and MOT TEST Ashford just in case.
police went past me on motorway and just smiled..... although on old car i had i was followed to dvla centre for registration. they saw me on opposide
carriageway and came to dvla 5 mins after i arrived. then drove off.
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Snap-off
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 10:57 AM |
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This is the letter, it also states where and how the VIN should be.
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adithorp
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 11:09 AM |
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The law says you can drive without tax/registration to a legally required and pre booked test.
As the MOT isn't a legal requirement for your car yet, your on dodgy ground. Your average policeman might not know this...but he might!
adrian
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paulmw
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 11:18 AM |
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If we are struggling to define the legal right/wrong how will it look if you bend it and then try and explain to the Police/Insurer/person injured
that its actually OK
IMO it should not be on the road until it is legally registered, with plates and insured
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richardh
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 11:31 AM |
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that letter looks like a standard one
bet if youd put a 17 digit vin on it before inspection then you'd be home dry.
looks like you just need to stamp the vin on and then sign yourself. couldnt see anyplace for dealer details etc .......
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Snap-off
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 11:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by richardh
that letter looks like a standard one
bet if youd put a 17 digit vin on it before inspection then you'd be home dry.
looks like you just need to stamp the vin on and then sign yourself. couldnt see anyplace for dealer details etc .......
It's on the back of the form.
I have the chassis and plate stamped and fixed to the chassis. i also spoke to my friendly MOT garage and they will sign it off for me after
inspecting on their premises. I just wanted to know the legal way of getting it there. It would be great to give the car a shakedown but if it it is
not legal to drive it (with fully insurance) then I will need to get it there some other way.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 11:41 AM |
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I'd be tempted to take a photo of the number stamped on it and then sign it yourself. Does sound from that letter that you should have done it
before the inspection - have you already been for one then???
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Snap-off
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 11:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
I'd be tempted to take a photo of the number stamped on it and then sign it yourself. Does sound from that letter that you should have done it
before the inspection - have you already been for one then???
No, no inspection. Just applied for a VIN number.
Thats a good idea for the photo. If it was good enough for the insurance company then I will try taking it to the garage.
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Marcus
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 12:05 PM |
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I had one of those letters, filled it in and got garage to stamp etc. I was then never contacted for an inspection. They said if it's been seen
by a garage and passed SVA, that's fine by them!
Ok, that was 4 years ago, but it seems some local DVLA offices are still on these rules.
As far as driving to garage goes, if it's booked in to check or adjust something which is necessary for SVA, you are legally allowed to drive
there (providing you have insurance specifically on that car, you cant use an existing policy which allows you to drive another car).
Mine was booked in for a headlight alignment and emissions test 
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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scoop
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 12:13 PM |
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Mate dont bother just get a trailer it will potentially save you a lot of grief. If i wasnt interested in this whole thing i wouldnt know any of this
obscure stuff and therefore neither will many of my colleagues, except the traffic boys maybe. Lets face it when was the last time you saw a
sevenesque car driving on a road with no number plates. Mutts nuts comes to mind.
Steve
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pajsh
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 03:26 PM |
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Welcome to the wacky world of VOSA.
1) It's OK to drive a totally untested and potentially leathal contraption on the public roads prior to it being checked by experienced
professionals.
2) Once checked it's then illegal to drive it until it's been registered but office jockey's that by an large don't know a
donut from a differential.
3) After 3 years of being driven on public roads a further examination is required by other professionals who may determine that for the last 3 years
it has been unsafe and may not be driven until rectified.
Is it any wonder everyone is confused.
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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Guinness
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 03:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pajsh
Welcome to the wacky world of VOSA.
1) It's OK to drive a totally untested and potentially leathal contraption on the public roads prior to it being checked by experienced
professionals.
2) Once checked it's then illegal to drive it until it's been registered but office jockey's that by an large don't know a
donut from a differential.
3) After 3 years of being driven on public roads a further examination is required by other professionals who may determine that for the last 3 years
it has been unsafe and may not be driven until rectified.
Is it any wonder everyone is confused.
That about sums it up!
Mike
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markyb
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| posted on 16/6/08 at 03:59 PM |
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'You will be allowed to travel (within the UK) to and from the test centres for the prearranged
appointment without the vehicle having been registered and licensed and, if necessary, to and from a pre-arranged appointment at a garage or other
place where modifications are done to enable compliance with the requirements. You are responsiblefor ensuring that you have insurance cover and that
the vehicle complies with the requirements of the Motor Vehicles(Construction and Use) Regulations (NI) 1999 and theRoad Vehicles Lighting Regulations
(NI) 2000 when driven to and from the test location.Otherwise, driving or keeping an unregistered vehicle on a public road is an offence.'
the above taken from the SVa info on http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/vehicletesting/sva.asp
but this is a Northern Ireland site so GB law may be different
I like the bit where it says I can drive to an 'other place' to get work done to help the car pass SVA 
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 8/11/08 at 08:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by markyb
'You will be allowed to travel (within the UK) to and from the test centres for the prearranged
appointment without the vehicle having been registered and licensed and, if necessary, to and from a pre-arranged appointment at a garage or other
place where modifications are done to enable compliance with the requirements. You are responsiblefor ensuring that you have insurance cover and that
the vehicle complies with the requirements of the Motor Vehicles(Construction and Use) Regulations (NI) 1999 and theRoad Vehicles Lighting Regulations
(NI) 2000 when driven to and from the test location.Otherwise, driving or keeping an unregistered vehicle on a public road is an offence.'
the above taken from the SVa info on http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/vehicletesting/sva.asp
but this is a Northern Ireland site so GB law may be different
I like the bit where it says I can drive to an 'other place' to get work done to help the car pass SVA
Trouble is, although NI is supposed to share the same traffic laws as the UK, there is no mention that the above is acceptable in the UK.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 10/11/08 at 01:33 PM |
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First line states within the UK doesnt it?
But im no expert on the law
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 10/11/08 at 06:38 PM |
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I got a similar letter saying that a garage had to do the number and sign for it. I rang DVLA back and explained that I built the chassis and so a
chassis plate wasn't beyond me and he just said fine, sign it yourself. Didn't seem that interested.
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